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re: “You can’t lie to the American people about affordability”

Posted on 11/15/25 at 5:55 pm to
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
299716 posts
Posted on 11/15/25 at 5:55 pm to
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Expectations are too high for young people. That’s the reality.

no. that's boomers punching down on young people


Kids with drive and ambition have never had it so good.

The Millennial "victimization" is partially built on fantasy.

Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
476900 posts
Posted on 11/15/25 at 5:58 pm to
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I would say about 1200 sqft. That’s a starter home.

Is it possible to have a 3BR/2BA home that's 1200 square feet?

Posted by Warboo
Enterprise Alabama
Member since Sep 2018
5906 posts
Posted on 11/15/25 at 6:00 pm to
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Is it possible to have a 3BR/2BA home that's 1200 square feet?


Absolutely. I grew up in one.
Posted by MC5601
Tyler, Texas
Member since Jan 2010
4284 posts
Posted on 11/15/25 at 6:04 pm to
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I would say about 1200 sqft. That’s a starter home. 2500 is definitely not one. Another thing is most people nowadays (especially younger than me) don’t want to put any sweat equity into a house. They want to buy move in ready and up to date. Yeah. You’re gonna pay for that. Well then don’t bitch houses are too expensive. Unrealistic expectations and laziness does indeed make housing unaffordable. I agree.


This is laughable. 1200 square foot may be a good starter home for a single 23 year old but not for somebody in their 30s who has or is soon expecting children. What you fail to understand is that we are in an economy where you can be in the top 20% of income earners and still be priced out of the real estate market. My girlfriend and I make around $250k combined and if we want to buy a home in DFW we will be financially stretched to do so in a safe area with a commute under 30 minutes
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
476900 posts
Posted on 11/15/25 at 6:05 pm to
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in a safe area with a commute under 30 minutes

Areas unlikely to have many 1200 square foot options, I might add.

Now if you open yourself up to poor/dangerous areas? Sure.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
299716 posts
Posted on 11/15/25 at 6:07 pm to
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This is laughable. 1200 square foot may be a good starter home for a single 23 year old but not for somebody in their 30s who has or is soon expecting children.


good job in proving the idea that some people just expect too much.

Everyone lived in 1000-1500 sq ft homes 50 years ago, you know...the "golden Age" as considered by board Millennials.

Many with 3-5 kids.

Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
Member since Sep 2003
138968 posts
Posted on 11/15/25 at 6:10 pm to
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I would dead arse rather storm the beaches of Normandy
So let's realize your wish. 75-80% of Omaha Beach survived the war. Those 80% went home to marry, and stay married regardless .... we won't even talk things like body hair and hygiene. So the 80% survivors went home to live in ~1000 sq-ft homes without air conditioning. They bought relatively more expensive cars, at least in their terms, which were generally done in 4-5yrs.

You'd really claim you'd want to swap places with THAT?

Then you are a clueless, effing, moron.
Posted by Warboo
Enterprise Alabama
Member since Sep 2018
5906 posts
Posted on 11/15/25 at 6:14 pm to
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Areas unlikely to have many 1200 square foot options, I might add. Now if you open yourself up to poor/dangerous areas? Sure.


In the 50s and 60s starter homes were around 1200ft. My parents bought a three bedroom 2 bath house for 15k brand new in a rural area and it was safe. They added on when I was 6 years old to make it 1600ft. People now think you need 20 x 20 bedrooms and a kitchen the size of a restaurant. I sold their house 7 years ago for 60k and it is in a safe area still.
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
Member since Sep 2003
138968 posts
Posted on 11/15/25 at 6:14 pm to
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What is a "starter home" to you, then?

Can location disqualify a home?
A home you can afford. PERIOD!

It certainly is not the home folks in their 40's-50's, at peak earnings, would be settling into.
Posted by olemc999
At a blackjack table
Member since Oct 2010
15297 posts
Posted on 11/15/25 at 6:15 pm to
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I would literally take any and every age group. I would dead arse rather storm the beaches of Normandy. I would rather freeze to death at Chosin reservoir. I would rather chase Charlie around the jungle. Get me the f$&k out of this economy right this instant.


Give me the 50s. Work some easy bullshite factory job that can afford you a house and 2 cars on a minimum of 10 acres. Tradwife in the kitchen cooking a meal because economically one person could provide for the whole family.

Come home and bend something like this over the sink.



Then go out in the yard and chop some wood and then shower and go to bed and wake up knowing the next morning that the third world hasn’t been imported into your neighborhood.

Yeah I’ll take that shite.

Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
Member since Sep 2003
138968 posts
Posted on 11/15/25 at 6:19 pm to
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Give me the 50s. ..... house and 2 cars on a minimum of 10 acres
Posted by olemc999
At a blackjack table
Member since Oct 2010
15297 posts
Posted on 11/15/25 at 6:24 pm to
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would say about 1200 sqft.


My county won’t permit a new build unless the house is a minimum of 1500 sq feet. They consider anything under 1500 sq feet to be a tiny home. This is Georgia btw.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
299716 posts
Posted on 11/15/25 at 6:26 pm to
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My county won’t permit a new build unless the house is a minimum of 1500 sq feet.


Mom and Dad raised three boys until we were teens with two bedrooms and one bath.

We had an amazing childhood.
Posted by Warboo
Enterprise Alabama
Member since Sep 2018
5906 posts
Posted on 11/15/25 at 6:27 pm to
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Give me the 50s. ..... house and 2 cars on a minimum of 10 acres


In the 50s you could do this with an average hometown business or a lower level white collar job and the wife was a home maker.
Posted by bluedragon
Birmingham
Member since May 2020
9549 posts
Posted on 11/15/25 at 6:27 pm to
You certainly aren’t capable of research.

Posted by Warboo
Enterprise Alabama
Member since Sep 2018
5906 posts
Posted on 11/15/25 at 6:28 pm to
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My county won’t permit a new build unless the house is a minimum of 1500 sq feet. They consider anything under 1500 sq feet to be a tiny home. This is Georgia btw.


It is that way here in south Alabama now. It all revolves around decreasing neighbors property value.
Posted by UptownJoeBrown
Baton Rouge
Member since Jul 2024
10002 posts
Posted on 11/15/25 at 6:28 pm to
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1200 square foot may be a good starter home for a single 23 year old but not for somebody in their 30s who has or is soon expecting children.


Wrong. It’s totally fine for anyone. Again, expectations are way too high in general. Too high for housing, cars, eating out, cable vision, entertainment, etc. Exponentially higher expectations. No one is owed the McMansion and all the toys. That’s not normal.
Posted by northshorebamaman
Mackinac Island
Member since Jul 2009
38341 posts
Posted on 11/15/25 at 6:28 pm to
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there is virtually no chance he's "retired just living off pensions." That assumption is alarmingly disconnected from any reality. In fact, your assumptions are unhinged across the board.
In my defense his exact words were:
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retired just living off pensions


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Likewise, presumptions of your own incomprehensible challenges are overwrought concoctions. Sorry, but grow a set!

You would no more want to swap existences with a 50, 60, 70 y/o at your age than you'd want to be on Mars w/o a spacesuit.

Speaking of assumptions I'm not from one of those younger generations. I'm just not as impressed with the smell of my own shite as you are and recognize younger people are living a different economic reality than I did at their age.
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Mark my words.

The next time I "mark your words" instead of eye-roll your faux-intellectual douchebaggery will be the first time.
Just a fail all around on your part.
Posted by olemc999
At a blackjack table
Member since Oct 2010
15297 posts
Posted on 11/15/25 at 6:29 pm to
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Mom and Dad raised three boys until we were teens with two bedrooms and one bath. We had an amazing childhood.


And I bet back then people could get permits to get into smaller affordable houses.
Posted by HagaDaga
Member since Oct 2020
7866 posts
Posted on 11/15/25 at 6:29 pm to
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When you pay people to not work, they will not work. You can lie all you want, but he's a major reason for inflation in 2021-2023.

I don’t think you understand what the word “lie” means.

And paying people not to work is not the same as shutting the country down.

A high percentage of this nation is being paid not to work now, and close to it prior to covid. If that’s the metric we are to use, then the country has been closed for decades.
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