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re: Yes sir, let's get all twisted around an axle about 2,000 Americans who
Posted on 6/10/22 at 11:57 am to Decatur
Posted on 6/10/22 at 11:57 am to Decatur
quote:I am not making excuses for them. They were legit retarded to go into the Capitol building. Whether they were let in (the vast majority) or forced their way in (a violent few). Nothing good was going to come of it.
None of you would be making these excuses if it had been BLM/Antifa.
You are just too dense to see the difference.
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Posted on 6/10/22 at 11:59 am to texridder
quote:Don't hold your breath.quote:You need help with your reading comprehension. He didnt say or imply he felt similarly about both.
Can you imagine being such a loon you feel similarly about the two?
What he said was:quote:See if you can figure out the difference.
I would like to see both groups of people prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.
Posted on 6/10/22 at 12:03 pm to texridder
quote:It is pretty simple. Those on the Right will be prosecuted.
See if you can figure out the difference.
Those on the Left will not.
Not much more to it than that.
Posted on 6/10/22 at 12:03 pm to Flats
quote:
He doesn’t think a corrupt judicial branch is as manageable as the other two, and I think he’s correct.
Agreed to some extent - But here are my thoughts on fixing it.
First- there should be no trial level court in the District of Columbia. It’s not a state. Federal
Jurisdiction is there to decide Federal Questions involving citizens of states. The FBI and the rest of the Deep State would not be getting away with the blatant civil rights abuses they are engaging, if one set of DC insiders (district level judges in DC) weren’t guarding the FBI and DOJ, but instead adjudicating rights of their citizens.
If these alleged J6 criminals were being prosecuted in their home states - we’d solve half the problem.
The SCOTUS nomination process - has shown a
willingness of the population as a whole to accept a more originalist and non-activist view of the constitution (Thank God). The egregious overreach of the 9th Circuit has been corrected (with begrudging hat tip to the Turtle).
I hope at least one of the J6 defendants appeals and the DC circuit is found to lack subject matter jurisdiction over a criminal trial against a citizen of a state, and the matter is remanded to the jurisdiction from whence it hailed.
The rest of the shite is solved by moving the Headquarters of the Federal Leviathon into various states and OUT of DC.
I’d also suggest constitutionally or statutorily abolishing district courts in DC. I’d probably only leave the court of claims for patent and very limited military only matters. The validity of federal horseshite Regulations shouldn’t be evaluated by a DC appellate court. There should be one court in DC. And that should be the SCOTUS.
Posted on 6/10/22 at 12:08 pm to Decatur
quote:
None of you would be making these excuses if it had been BLM/Antifa.
And y’all know it.
I feel like I'm taking crazy pills. How exactly does this work?
Summer 2020: Leftists run around destroying America and The Right says, "Hey...um...that's not ok." The Left tells The Right to stop being racist and to shut up, and not only do they keep doing it but they literally start funding campaigns to bail out rioters. This goes on for MONTHS.
(Insert photos we all know by heart here)
January 6th, 2021: A few hundred idiots break into The Capitol. There are no fires. There are no videos of wanton destruction inside or out. And for the first time since the summer of 2020 a rioter is killed by a LEO, and there are not additional riots in response. It's business as usual inside in several hours.
So...is this the reverse of whataboutism? Complain about people not holding themselves to a much higher standard than their opposition did when they were doing far worse things?
Of course The Right would be not ok with this had it been Antifa/BLM, but we have actual real world evidence that The Left would have been fine with it, since we watched excuse after excuse pour out all summer long. Not to mention, we have a near parallel when The Left took over The Capitol during the Kavanaugh hearings and there was no hand wringing about upsetting official procedures or our sacred democracy being destroyed.
It's actually adorable. It's not enough to clearly benefit from a system which is rigged to be a double standard, but The Left needs people to pretend they don't see it also.
Posted on 6/10/22 at 12:27 pm to AggieHank86
quote:
Don't hold your breath.
Hank, you've ignored it in this thread (from what I've read anyway) - do you believe DOJ/FBI are driven by politics in selective investigation/prosecution of crime? And I don't mean at the margin, but in a way that is a substantially greater threat to a functioning USA than 2,000 yahoos busting windows and climbing walls at the capitol?
Posted on 6/10/22 at 12:35 pm to Wednesday
Wednesday,
Your answer explains something in such clarity here that I'm amazed no one picked this up.
There's a large debate about the "far-right" and the "far-left."
You've made the point.
You are a rational poster who supports facts, based on law and you do a very good job of laying out your arguments.
For that, you've been labeled "Far Right."
That's the point. Those who claim to be in the middle are so "FAR LEFT" that fact, logic, and reason are now considered by "Inteligencia" as far-right.
quote:
I am, however, livid that in my own country - somehow, I have been mischaracterized as an extremist for simply failing to take ANYTHING that comes from my government’s mouth at face value.
Your answer explains something in such clarity here that I'm amazed no one picked this up.
There's a large debate about the "far-right" and the "far-left."
You've made the point.
You are a rational poster who supports facts, based on law and you do a very good job of laying out your arguments.
For that, you've been labeled "Far Right."
That's the point. Those who claim to be in the middle are so "FAR LEFT" that fact, logic, and reason are now considered by "Inteligencia" as far-right.
Posted on 6/10/22 at 12:42 pm to Big Scrub TX
quote:
I feel that all crimes should be prosecuted
That’s not the issue. It’s good to think that, I think so too, but it’s a throwaway statement regarding the prosecution of the J6 people.
The question is this: Given that Group A was not and will not be prosecuted, do you want Group B prosecuted? If you want Group B prosecuted you are actively in favor of disparate treatment by the DOJ.
This post was edited on 6/10/22 at 12:43 pm
Posted on 6/10/22 at 12:51 pm to Flats
quote:
The question is this: Given that Group A was not and will not be prosecuted, do you want Group B prosecuted? If you want Group B prosecuted you are actively in favor of disparate treatment by the DOJ.
Correct.
This is why the term "Whataboutism" drives me up the wall. It's just an attempt to allow Group A to get away with things first and hold accountable Group B should they ever do something similar later. The Right has every right to bring up the Summer of 2020 and ask how it is that The Left can by this animated about January 6th while at the same time having turned a blind eye (or in many cases outright supported) far worse acts of violence without being told it's a diversionary tactic.
No assholes, it's wanting to deal with first things first. As soon as we're done dealing with the riots which took place first, I'll be happy to talk about the one that took place months later. Until then, I have zero fricks to give about January 6.
Posted on 6/10/22 at 1:05 pm to 14&Counting
quote:
the original question was "why one is being zealously prosecuted and another not"...and it boils down to state vs. federal jurisdiction and then the political will to do something about it.
Would you consider PTA meetings federal jurisdiction? Because Garland has no issues doing something about those.
Posted on 6/10/22 at 1:25 pm to David_DJS
quote:To demand that it stops.
What's the proper response to crimes being investigated and prosecuted along political partisan lines?
Posted on 6/10/22 at 1:26 pm to Flats
quote:I'm sure some Group A have been prosecuted, but I completely get the point. Burning down police stations in US cities - OK. Larping at the Capitol - massive offense!
The question is this: Given that Group A was not and will not be prosecuted, do you want Group B prosecuted? If you want Group B prosecuted you are actively in favor of disparate treatment by the DOJ.
Posted on 6/10/22 at 1:56 pm to David_DJS
quote:"Investigatory discretion" and "prosecutorial discretion" are certainly real, and I don't think that you would expect me to say anything differently. I THINK you are asking whether I think that there is an institutional pattern of utilizing that discretion to favor one political party (presumably the Dems) over the other political party (presumably the GOP).
Hank, you've ignored it in this thread (from what I've read anyway) - do you believe DOJ/FBI are driven by politics in selective investigation/prosecution of crime? And I don't mean at the margin, but in a way that is a ... threat to a functioning USA
No. You don't see many mainstream Republicans making this claim. It is almost exclusively the Far Right, who are a bunch of deluded whiners with a martyrdom complex.
You saw the same sort of whining from the Far Left back in the 1960s and 1970s, with "the Man" always trying to hold them down. It was nonsense then, and it is nonsense now.
This post was edited on 6/10/22 at 2:00 pm
Posted on 6/10/22 at 2:42 pm to AggieHank86
One group was invited in by the capitol police, I have yet to find a private business owner who extended an invitation.
Posted on 6/10/22 at 3:24 pm to AggieHank86
quote:
I THINK you are asking whether I think that there is an institutional pattern of utilizing that discretion to favor one political party (presumably the Dems) over the other political party (presumably the GOP).
So you think the FBI is apolitical? Their effort to entrap some moronic "conservatives" by championing the kidnapping of a Dem governor is balanced by a similar effort on the other side of the political spectrum?
Brings me to another question - do you think there's a ugly and growing wave of violent white supremacy in this country?
Posted on 6/10/22 at 3:28 pm to David_DJS
quote:No. That assertion is bullshite at an equal level with the matter we have been discussing.
rings me to another question - do you think there's a ugly and growing wave of violent white supremacy in this country?
Posted on 6/10/22 at 3:58 pm to AggieHank86
quote:
No. That assertion is bullshite at an equal level with the matter we have been discussing.
Do you think the BS/assertion is politically driven?
Posted on 6/10/22 at 4:00 pm to David_DJS
quote:Yes, both the "white supremacist" bullshite narrative and the "FBI Dem Lapdog" bullshite narrative are pushed by people with political agendas.
Do you think the BS/assertion is politically driven?
Posted on 6/10/22 at 4:05 pm to AggieHank86
quote:
I simply do not understand this notion in the minds of the Far Right to the effect that anyone who wants to see the January 6 lawbreakers prosecuted would somehow be opposed to prosecution of the summer of love rioters.
Personally, I would like to see both groups of people prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.
That would just be you then and your opinion...it certainly isn't anything I have heard coming from the left. All we hear from the left is how evil the J6 folks are and how they should be under the jail but name me ONE prominent lefty who has been vocal about the ANTIFA/BLM protesters paying any significant price? Don't waste your time...you won't find it.
And it doesn't stop there either...when you have Maxine Watters, Chuck Schumer, and the like come out and directly incite violence even using specifics as opposed to Trump saying march PEACEFULLY on the Capital and yet the only one catching heat is Trump from the left...your side needs some extreme self inflection before you can say there is ANY balance to this equation.
Posted on 6/10/22 at 4:17 pm to AggieHank86
quote:
Yes, both the "white supremacist" bullshite narrative and the "FBI Dem Lapdog" bullshite narrative are pushed by people with political agendas.
I'm not talking about political narratives. I'm talking about politically-driven action, because I think you'll agree that DOJ/FBI act like there's a scary uprising of white supremacy overwhelming the country.
So you agree DOJ/FBI are politically driven organizations, at least to some degree - but your argument is their work never reflects their politics? Not putting words in your mouth, just trying to connect some dots here.
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