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re: X claims stage 4 cancer patients are responding to Ivermectin & Fenbendazole
Posted on 7/29/24 at 8:54 am to LegalEazyE
Posted on 7/29/24 at 8:54 am to LegalEazyE
quote:Then why is the survival rate for thyroid cancer 98%, prostate cancer 97%, testicular cancer 95%, skin cancer 94%, breast cancer 91%, Hodgkins lymphoma 89% considering all stages?
. then carry on pushing treatments, not cures, for Big Pharma... Like they have done for decades now
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Posted on 7/29/24 at 8:55 am to jimmy the leg
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I’m simply stating that it’s plausible to think that the pharmaceutical / medical industry may be looking out for their interests as much as (if not more so) than there patients.
Money matters.
It does, which is why following the money in terms of the development of pharmaceutical therapies is important to the discussion. Generally, the trend has been toward targeted therapies maximizing already existing therapies or finding drugs for specific cancers which rely on things like gene mutations or cancers in specific anatomic regions, etc., as well as doing what is possible to limit side effects. The general protocols for cancer chemotherapeutics rely on some rather old drugs, as one of the first major cancer breakthroughs was using different agents together, and that first breakthrough was in 1965. And the drugs used in that first breakthrough for ALL, methotrexate, vincristine, 6-MP, and prednisone, are drugs that are still used today.
Where cancer treatment does get expensive is literally the targeted therapies. We already have drugs that have wide target profiles. The notion that any drug can be prophylactic for a broad category of 'cancer' is on its face idiotic. What cancers? All of them? It's so stupid it's hard to believe anyone would take the notion seriously.
There is no panacea of a drug that is somehow going to cut out the pharmaceutical industry. Unfortunately, they will get theirs and there is absolutely no work being done at ending the academic, regulatory, and market capture that these companies have. That would be a bigger threat than some fanciful idea of a drug that could do everything that supposedly these drugs can do.
Posted on 7/29/24 at 8:55 am to Jake88
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If they want people to die off faster and younger, why has the medical industry and government discouraged smoking so intensely?
I said I don't agree with the CT but that I understand how some people come to the conclusion.
But to answer your question like someone who believes the CT, the urge to kill off large parts of the population is only a recent trend. Gates and others really only began signaling this needs to happen in the past decade. If there were a cure, wouldn't releasing it go against the urge for population reduction that the WEF and others are pushing?
Just because the Government is pushing for one thing, doesn't mean their hopes aren't for something entirely different.
Posted on 7/29/24 at 9:00 am to stout
quote:So nothing is going to change a mind once its made up. They will just contort "facts" to fit their CT.
Just because the Government is pushing for one thing, doesn't mean their hopes aren't for something entirely different.
And birthrates are already dropping. No need to kill off anyone.
This post was edited on 7/29/24 at 9:01 am
Posted on 7/29/24 at 9:04 am to stout
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OK and I know we give each other shite but I appreciate you teaching me something. I was always told it was an automatic death sentence. I honestly assumed that to be the case.
It straight up depends on when a patient presents. If you catch anything early enough, you can likely resect it. Pancreatic cancers rarely present early enough due to vague constitutional symptoms.
Posted on 7/29/24 at 9:06 am to crazy4lsu
Any successful screening tests on the horizon?
Posted on 7/29/24 at 9:06 am to Jake88
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So nothing is going to change a mind once its made up. They will just contort "facts" to fit their CT.
Yes, this is true for most people and accelerated due to Covid and the way Governments all over the world handled it. It's true for most no matter what side of the political spectrum they fall on. From Russia, Russia, Russia, to Q. Both sides have their CTs they will not change their minds on. You know this.
But again, I understand how someone could come to this conclusion more so than some of the other CTs out there.
One more thing to add is that Cuba has a cheap cure for lung cancer that we can't get here in the US due to sanctions. I haven't researched it in a while since my dad died so maybe it is available in the US now but stuff like that only adds to the CT is my point.
Posted on 7/29/24 at 9:11 am to Jake88
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Any successful screening tests on the horizon?
A really promising study was released early this year using proteomics for detecting 18 early-stage cancers. LINK
I'm also sure there are some AI-based approaches that are being developed, but I'm more wary of those versus using a new plasma test.
Posted on 7/29/24 at 9:12 am to crazy4lsu
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Pancreatic cancers rarely present early enough due to vague constitutional symptoms.
This is probably why many assume it's an automatic death sentence because it is usually found too late.
We only found out my dad had lung cancer because of the tumor location. It was obstructing his bronchioles making it hard to breathe but by then it was stage 4B. Somehow he still made it 18 months even though the initial prognosis was 45-60 days.
He did some form of alternative treatment coupled with whatever MD Anderson threw at it and the Drs at MD Anderson called him a walking miracle because he was in remission for a few months until it came back more aggressive. They said they had never seen that happen with someone at stage 4B and small-cell lung cancer. He cut out sugar, reduced carbs, juiced a lot of carrots, etc. I think those treatments helped some but maybe that is wishful thinking and merely a coincidence.
This post was edited on 7/29/24 at 9:14 am
Posted on 7/29/24 at 9:19 am to stout
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He cut out sugar, reduced carbs, juiced a lot of carrots, etc. I think those treatments helped some but maybe that is wishful thinking and merely a coincidence.
There's some pretty smart doctors out there who believe some types of cancers are metabolic diseases that can be treated/cured with extended fasting and diet changes.
Posted on 7/29/24 at 9:22 am to stout
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This is probably why many assume it's an automatic death sentence because it is usually found too late.
It's definitely one of the deadliest, as the anatomic location also presents a challenge for resectability. That said, there is promise for detecting them earlier. LINK
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We only found out my dad had lung cancer because of the tumor location. It was obstructing his bronchioles making it hard to breathe but by then it was stage 4B. Somehow he still made it 18 months even though the initial prognosis was 45-60 days.
Oh wow. How old was he when he had the diagnosis?
Posted on 7/29/24 at 9:26 am to Pookers
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There's some pretty smart doctors out there who believe some types of cancers are metabolic diseases that can be treated/cured with extended fasting and diet changes.
In some ways, I'd argue that we should treat obesity itself as a cancer, as it is the proliferation of adipose tissue which secretes hormones and the presence of obesity itself is a cancer risk due to increased exposure to estrogens. You also have an extremely high remission rate in terms of weight-loss and weight-gain. The best thing you can do for your health is to avoid becoming obese, as the hormonal derangements can last for years.
Posted on 7/29/24 at 9:28 am to Diamondawg
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have had a few friends and acquaintances that had died from pancreatic cancer. I can think of at least 3 that lived several years post diagnosis. I can only credit these Cancer Industrial Complexes for giving them years rather than months with their families
I can appreciate that and they were a tiny minority as you know. Very rarely do people live more than 2 years. But I understand an extra 1 or 2 years is precious if you can get it. I have a 57-year old cousin with it now. He had Whipple surgery and is at least still alive. His quality of life is not good though. I just have to believe there’s a better way than chemo.
Posted on 7/29/24 at 9:29 am to crazy4lsu
62. Made it to 64. It was just at 18 months he made it.
At the initial visit they told him to go home and prepare for end-of-life preparations. I remember the oncologist told us 60 days was optimistic. We went to MD Anderson the following week and they said the same thing.
My dad said he wanted to fight so I did some research into alternative treatments and read about people using carrot juice, cutting out sugar, fasting, carbs, etc. He did it all and still went in for chemo and radiation. It was rough but as I said, at one point he was in total remission which apparently is unheard of given his initial prognosis.
The Drs at MD Anderson sat with me and him at one point and asked what he was doing because they were pretty stunned by it but it didn't last. I am grateful however that it afforded us more time. I can't 100% say those things gave him more time but based on what we were told about it being unheard of I assume it helped to some degree.
At the initial visit they told him to go home and prepare for end-of-life preparations. I remember the oncologist told us 60 days was optimistic. We went to MD Anderson the following week and they said the same thing.
My dad said he wanted to fight so I did some research into alternative treatments and read about people using carrot juice, cutting out sugar, fasting, carbs, etc. He did it all and still went in for chemo and radiation. It was rough but as I said, at one point he was in total remission which apparently is unheard of given his initial prognosis.
The Drs at MD Anderson sat with me and him at one point and asked what he was doing because they were pretty stunned by it but it didn't last. I am grateful however that it afforded us more time. I can't 100% say those things gave him more time but based on what we were told about it being unheard of I assume it helped to some degree.
Posted on 7/29/24 at 9:35 am to stout
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This is probably why many assume it's an automatic death sentence because it is usually found too late.
Lost my mother-in-law to pancreatic cancer. We were told that 90% of all diagnoses die within the year of diagnosis. The exception being those that can have surgery to remove it. Those patients can actually beat it.
Posted on 7/29/24 at 11:17 am to crazy4lsu
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The notion that any drug can be prophylactic for a broad category of 'cancer' is on its face idiotic. What cancers? All of them? It's so stupid it's hard to believe anyone would take the notion seriously.
Who stated this?
Posted on 7/29/24 at 2:03 pm to VoxDawg
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Question for the class - when was the last time we heard that a disease - any disease- was actually cured? Not that someone recovered or is in remission - the entire disease wiped out/cured?
There are more dollars flowing into pharmaceutical companies than ever, shouldn't we be hearing on the regular that various diseases/bugs/infections are cured?
Many diseases have virtually disappeared from vaccines.
Gilead came up with a 99% effective drug for hepatitis C.
Posted on 7/29/24 at 2:17 pm to Pookers
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There's some pretty smart doctors out there who believe some types of cancers are metabolic diseases that can be treated/cured with extended fasting and diet changes.
Tippins fasted all through his traditional treatment. Got down to 110 lbs.
Posted on 7/29/24 at 2:27 pm to VoxDawg
Imagine having all of that money and nothing can save you from being murdered. That probably wasn’t random and fit their agenda.
Posted on 7/29/24 at 2:29 pm to Jake88
Sounds like it’s time if one goes through all of this. What’s the point.
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