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re: Would you vote for an open atheist for national political office?
Posted on 12/20/16 at 7:38 am to germandawg
Posted on 12/20/16 at 7:38 am to germandawg
You do not understand the context of the significance of wine during that time. To say he encouraged wine drinking is a display of ignorance.
No true Believer is going to be blind to what a Pastor preaches. They would reference the Bible before doing something wrong. I have known Catholics that told me they don't need the Bible because they listen to their Priest. I don't quite get that and I am sure not all Catholics feel that way.
germandawg, you really need to examine your own moral character before holding others to one higher than yourself. Just sayin' Christians know they need a Savior.
No true Believer is going to be blind to what a Pastor preaches. They would reference the Bible before doing something wrong. I have known Catholics that told me they don't need the Bible because they listen to their Priest. I don't quite get that and I am sure not all Catholics feel that way.
germandawg, you really need to examine your own moral character before holding others to one higher than yourself. Just sayin' Christians know they need a Savior.
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Posted on 12/20/16 at 7:58 am to Bayou
If I had a choice, and both were libertarian/conservative candidates, I would always chose to vote for the atheist over the fundamentalist Christian (meaning anti gay rights, anti-alcohol, young earth creationist)
The second guy in my scenario is already telling me he is against individual liberty and he has no critical thinking skills. If you think the earth is 6000 years old and evolution isn't real, you don't belong in charge of anything. Especially not deciding public policy.
The second guy in my scenario is already telling me he is against individual liberty and he has no critical thinking skills. If you think the earth is 6000 years old and evolution isn't real, you don't belong in charge of anything. Especially not deciding public policy.
Posted on 12/20/16 at 8:01 am to Bayou
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Christianity is unlike any religion out there. It is received not achieved.
Again: SO WHAT?
This speaks nothing to its truth or lack there of. Uniqueness is not a defining characteristic of truth.
Posted on 12/20/16 at 8:01 am to Bayou
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You do not understand the context of the significance of wine during that time. To say he encouraged wine drinking is a display of ignorance.
I was repsonding to a Christian's post stating that turning water into wine was proof that drinking wasn't a sin...I don't think it ever happened although I know that wine was originally used to "sanitize" water for drinking and eventually people thought why not just drink the wine without the water???
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No true Believer is going to be blind to what a Pastor preaches. They would reference the Bible before doing something wrong. I have known Catholics that told me they don't need the Bible because they listen to their Priest.
So you are saying that none of those catholics are true believers? Are you saying that the people who fly planes into buildings aren't true believers? You would be wrong on the latter...they may believe in lies but they believe it...
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germandawg, you really need to examine your own moral character before holding others to one higher than yourself. Just sayin' Christians know they need a Savior.
Morality and character have nothing at all to do with religion....
Posted on 12/20/16 at 8:03 am to Revelator
I probably did in Trump
I don't really buy in of the latest batch of politicians particularly religious sans they need to be to win
I don't really buy in of the latest batch of politicians particularly religious sans they need to be to win
Posted on 12/20/16 at 8:04 am to Revelator
As a Christian, IDGAF about a politician's religion. I only care about their policies (provided said policies don't infringe upon my freedom to practice my religion).
Posted on 12/20/16 at 8:24 am to Revelator
Does anyone actually believe that any president of the us had a strong faith?
Posted on 12/20/16 at 3:48 pm to mahdragonz
Carter and Bush definitely did, and of course many of the earlier presidents like Washington and Adams did as well.
Posted on 12/20/16 at 4:11 pm to Roger Klarvin
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Again: SO WHAT?
This speaks nothing to its truth or lack there of. Uniqueness is not a defining characteristic of truth.
Bingo. I've never understood the argument that Christianity is right because it's "different" than other major religions.
This post was edited on 12/20/16 at 4:12 pm
Posted on 12/20/16 at 4:21 pm to mahdragonz
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Does anyone actually believe that any president of the us had a strong faith?
Faith resides within the heart, so no one would ever know whether another person's faith is genuine or not.
Posted on 12/20/16 at 4:23 pm to Strophie
quote:It's not true because it's unique. It's unique because it's true.
Bingo. I've never understood the argument that Christianity is right because it's "different" than other major religions.
Biblical Christianity is the only religion that says you are not saved by what you do but by what God has done for you. All other religions go to great lengths to tell you what you need to do to save yourself.
Posted on 12/20/16 at 4:25 pm to Joshjrn
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Wait, what? Are Yahweh god and Jehoveh god the same god?
Yes, but Allah isn't and was invented by Mohamed using characteristics from some of the pagan gods that his father worshipped such as the moon god. Thus, the Islamic flag.
Posted on 12/20/16 at 4:29 pm to bubba68
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In speaking against religion it was Vladimir Lenin (1870-1924)the communist leader of Russia who said, "Religion is an opiate of the people."
No.
But it was Karl Marx (1818-1883) who said:
"Religion is the sigh of the oppressed creature, the heart of a heartless world, and the soul of soulless conditions. It is the opium of the people".
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it was clear to me Hillary Clinton was the most morally bankrupt (and dangerous) of the two.
Meh, I saw it more as...
...shite's getting wrecked either way.
Posted on 12/20/16 at 4:32 pm to FooManChoo
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Biblical Christianity is the only religion that says you are not saved by what you do but by what God has done for you. All other religions go to great lengths to tell you what you need to do to save yourself.
That's not true.
Catholics believe that your deeds determine your access to the afterlife so Jewish, Buddhist, or atheist individuals can go to heaven by living a good life while a whoring, cheating douche Jesus quoting southern baptist might not be at the pearly gates.
The Greek and Russian orthodoxes have quite a different view that would be almost unrecognizable to western Christians.
Posted on 12/20/16 at 4:38 pm to mahdragonz
quote:That's why I said "Biblical Christianity" and not just "Christianity". Christians come in many forms these days, but the notion that salvation comes by faith, which is the gift of God, and not by works is a pretty unique concept to religion where everyone is responsible for saving themselves by being good.
That's not true.
Catholics believe that your deeds determine your access to the afterlife so Jewish, Buddhist, or atheist individuals can go to heaven by living a good life while a whoring, cheating douche Jesus quoting southern baptist might not be at the pearly gates.
The Greek and Russian orthodoxes have quite a different view that would be almost unrecognizable to western Christians.
Christianity does have an element of good works and they are a necessary proof of true faith, but ultimately they are not what saves you from sin. A "good" atheist won't go to Heaven by the Biblical measure.
Posted on 12/20/16 at 4:48 pm to FooManChoo
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Biblical Christianity is the only religion that says you are not saved by what you do but by what God has done for you. All other religions go to great lengths to tell you what you need to do to save yourself.
...which has absolutely zero impact on its truth claims.
That distinction does not thing to differentiate it from the truth claims of other religions.
This post was edited on 12/20/16 at 4:50 pm
Posted on 12/20/16 at 4:51 pm to Strophie
quote:I think it's an evidence of it's truthfulness but I agree that it is not true because of this claim. It's true regardless of the doctrines of other religions.
...which has absolutely zero impact on its truth claims.
That distinction does not thing to differentiate it from the truth claims of other religions.
Posted on 12/20/16 at 4:52 pm to Strophie
Religion has nothing to do with politics. Any one who wouldn't vote for an athiest is prejudiced.
Posted on 12/20/16 at 4:54 pm to dpd901
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. If you think the earth is 6000 years old and evolution isn't real, you don't belong in charge of anything. Especially not deciding public policy.
I think these numbers happily are very small despite MSM reports that would have you believe otherwise.
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