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re: Woke NYT writer sent kid to troubled schools as a sacrifice, it did not go as planned
Posted on 9/22/26 at 2:02 pm to Deplorableinohio
Posted on 9/22/26 at 2:02 pm to Deplorableinohio
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On a similar note, when you think about the formative educational years, why would you deny your child the best opportunities for success?
Because libtards, are idiots, pure and simple!
Posted on 9/22/26 at 2:45 pm to NC_Tigah
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It was not the children that horrified me — kids of all incomes are rambunctious at lunchtime. It was the callous disregard of the adults.
Lol. The Marxists complain about discipline and then complain about no discipline.
Sucks to suck.
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In Najya’s third-grade year, her teacher missed a significant number of days, leading Najya to complain about the substitute teachers who rarely taught and how sometimes there was no substitute at all.
She can thank the collective bargaining agreement here. Oh, you were in favor of unionized teachers? Lo, the fruit of your preferences.
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Neither of Najya’s teachers nor the principal bothered to respond. What followed was a series of emails and phone calls and meetings trying to get basic items — copies of Najya’s graded work, her reading assessment, her test results — and receiving nothing.
Moar collective bargaining!!!
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But now I understood she thought she was correctly solving all her problems because her teacher was not checking her work. Similarly, Najya’s writing assignments were rife with uncorrected punctuation, capitalization and grammar errors.
There’s a non-zero chance that her daughter’s teacher was unable to do math and English at the level that her students were required to be at.
In St. Louis Public Schools, if you have a pulse, they will provisionally certify you (as a waystation to permanent certification) to teach. As a result, you have teachers who are literally not smarter than a 3rd grader.
And because of the aforementioned behavior issues, it’s all you can get to show up (if you can call it that) to “teach” the students.
Posted on 9/22/26 at 2:47 pm to Major Dutch Schaefer
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“We believed strongly that if families like ours went into schools like this one, it would challenge other families with similar values to do the same.
“I felt an obligation to make educational decisions based on the collective good and not just our individual advantage,” the mom said.
What a fricking moron.
Posted on 9/22/26 at 2:48 pm to NC_Tigah
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Students obviously lacking academic capacity should be offered a transition to blue-collar prepatory environments, aka trade school instead of wasting time in an environment not designed for them.
My signature legislation as President would be title “Leave Some Effing Kids Behind.”
Posted on 9/22/26 at 2:53 pm to 4cubbies
not a single student (Zero students!) tested proficient on 2023 state math exam in any of 13 Baltimore City high schools!
The Baltimore City School System sucks, and d/t its historically persistent underperformance, it would appear, as with the NHJ observations, a sizable % of the faculty/admins there absolutely do not give a damn.
Granted that district may have reached a nadir in 2023 when not a single student (Zero students!) tested proficient on 2023 state math exam in any of 13 Baltimore City high schools! LINK
The subsequently horrible PR seems to have stirred a slight uptick in performance. But can you imagine having a kid with a triple digit IQ subjected to that atrocity?
They would not have a chance in hell.
quote:Of course they aren't. No more than NHJ's kid is "uniquely dim."
my inclination is to say NO These students are not uniquely dim.
The Baltimore City School System sucks, and d/t its historically persistent underperformance, it would appear, as with the NHJ observations, a sizable % of the faculty/admins there absolutely do not give a damn.
Granted that district may have reached a nadir in 2023 when not a single student (Zero students!) tested proficient on 2023 state math exam in any of 13 Baltimore City high schools! LINK
The subsequently horrible PR seems to have stirred a slight uptick in performance. But can you imagine having a kid with a triple digit IQ subjected to that atrocity?
They would not have a chance in hell.
Posted on 9/22/26 at 3:02 pm to the808bass
quote:or get them started in a different direction...
My signature legislation as President would be title “Leave Some Effing Kids Behind.”
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Posted on 9/22/26 at 3:08 pm to Major Dutch Schaefer
That mom played 5D chess in a game of checkers and still somehow knocked every piece off the board.
Posted on 9/22/26 at 3:14 pm to Major Dutch Schaefer
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Nikole Hannah-Jones, 50, enrolled her only child in two struggling Brooklyn public schools beginning in 2015 — as part of a battle to change what she characterized as systemic racism, despite having the “connections and time and status” to get the girl into the city’s best schools, she wrote in the Times Magazine on Sunday.
What an astoundingly ignorant dumbass.
Posted on 9/22/26 at 3:16 pm to NC_Tigah
Agreed. The Trades should be encouraged.
And for kids who are over 16 and don’t want to be at school, let them not be at school.
For kids who are violent and under 16, let them not be at school. Punishing 200 other kids because the kid with early onset personality disorders is off his meds is no way to run a successful public school system.
And for kids who are over 16 and don’t want to be at school, let them not be at school.
For kids who are violent and under 16, let them not be at school. Punishing 200 other kids because the kid with early onset personality disorders is off his meds is no way to run a successful public school system.
Posted on 9/22/26 at 3:29 pm to NC_Tigah
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There are multiple models for that. 1) Fixed cost per student taking into account grade level, special needs, etc. 2) Fixed based cost per student, with faculty/performance incentives 3) Performance based reimbursement
If successful models should be funded and successful models require more funding than the state or district’s per pupil funding structure— what is the remedy?
Posted on 9/22/26 at 3:47 pm to 4cubbies
quote:Perhaps, perhaps not.
If successful models should be funded and successful models require more funding
E.g., You CANNOT reward horrible effort and disinterest at the same pay level as good work/effort:
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Children were running wild, chasing, hitting and pushing each other while the teacher’s aides and cafeteria workers stood by looking bored.
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principal regularly wouldn’t engage with us or wasn’t in the building at all. In Najya’s third-grade year, her teacher missed a significant number of days, leading Najya to complain about the substitute teachers who rarely taught and how sometimes there was no substitute at all.
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Neither of Najya’s teachers nor the principal bothered to respond.
quote:Those behaviors should generate fines/pay cuts. Incentive runs both ways. That is where the unions are a huge problem.
Najya’s teacher had most likely never performed the school’s mandatory reading assessments for Najya or any of her classmates
This post was edited on 9/22/26 at 3:49 pm
Posted on 9/22/26 at 4:03 pm to NC_Tigah
quote:Why isn’t this indicative of some abnormality or problem with the test? At minimum, a result that extreme makes me question how well the tested population, curriculum, and assessment actually align.
not a single student (Zero students!) tested proficient on 2023 state math exam in any of 13 Baltimore City high schools!
quote:as I stated earlier, NHJ failed her daughter by checking out of her academic progress. Despite consistently being called a liberal who wants the government to do everything for everyone, I seem to be one of the very few (or possibly the only) posters who believes the primary responsibility of educating children falls on parents.
Of course they aren't. No more than NHJ's kid is "uniquely dim."
Posted on 9/22/26 at 4:38 pm to 4cubbies
quote:mmkay
My kids go to an open enrollment school. It was my first choice. Same for the other white families I’m friends with who have their kids there
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Your experience isn’t everyone’s experience.
It's not my experience it's facts. I can predict the test scores at a school in any state you tell me about with only a couple of pieces of information. Just tell me what the state average is for each demographic. Then tell me the breakdown of the school's demographics and I will give you their test scores. I can also back into them. If you tell me a School's test scores and then give me the state average for each demographic group I can do a pretty good job of backing into the demographics of the school. I will be wrong no more than 10% of the time no matter where you choose in the entire fricking country as long as the school isn't a select school. You can try to dance away from that reality all you like. If the school you're sending your kids to is truly 40% black I could promise you that the overall test scores of that school are no surprise at all.
And I can do the exact same thing if you give me discipline numbers Statewide and for the school. It's harder to predict weather 10 minutes in advance then it is to predict this shite
This post was edited on 9/22/26 at 4:41 pm
Posted on 9/22/26 at 4:40 pm to 4cubbies
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The argument seems to be that we know certain schools are inferior because their students have low test scores and students have low test scores because they attend inferior schools.
No, it's two arguments. You are correct in that the mainstream narrative argues both of them at at times, but not at the same time and in the same context.
And those aren't the only two; they've tried others, such as reading, writing, and 'rtihmetic are inherently racist.
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Causation is never really attempted or determined.
I don't know that I agree with that. Like 808 posted upthread, causes are given, such as inadequate funding. But there are too many aspects of the problem that no one is willing to name, so real causes remain in the shadows.
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Educational outcomes are tied closely to SES, and so is race. SES explain standardized test scores more accurately than race, imo. Of course, SES obviously isn't destiny and doesn't determine a child's aptitude, but many conditions associated with economic disadvantage can affect educational opportunity and academic performance
You know what else is closely tied to educational outcomes? Single parenthood. Specifically, not having a father in the house. 71% of high school dropouts are from homes without a father. Only 37% are from poor or near poor families.
But, "A women needs a man like a fish needs a bicycle," says feminism.
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Do you see what I'm getting at
100%. You think the students (really, the parents) make the school, not the other way around.
I agree with that. Before now, I haven't expressed my own views on the subject, I've just told you why you're getting some of the responses you're getting.
Posted on 9/22/26 at 4:47 pm to the808bass
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And for kids who are over 16 and don’t want to be at school, let them not be at school.
The hell with that.
If any parent of any child of ANY age doesn't want to be in school, they shouldn't be compelled to go.
I can't imagine how any court ever ruled compulsory mass education Constitutional. There's no way it really is.
Imagine if instead of compelling children to go to school for 13 years, the state was compelling adults to go to the gym.
Would it benefit society? Absolutely. We wouldn't nearly be so out of shape as a country, which would save God only knows how much money.
Is it Constitutional? Absolutely not. And neither is forcing children to attend school for basically their entire childhood and adolescence. If they don't want to be there and there's no expectation of achievement or support at home they don't learn anyway, they just distract and keep other students from learning.
That's true whether they are six or sixteen.
Posted on 9/22/26 at 5:04 pm to the808bass
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Too to bottom our entire education system has been corrupted through neglect.
I was with you 100% until this sentence.
I've posted about this before, but I cannot understand why conservatives are so blind to what a mass, public, compulsory education system is (not necessarily aiming that comment at you, just in general).
It's nothing but a pure socialist mechanism.
And like any other pure socialist mechanism, everything you posted in the post I'm quoting from is guaranteed to happen sooner or later.
GUARANTEED to happen. It's not a matter of if, just when.
The prioritizing the social welfare functions rather than the legitimate purpose for which the school exists, the propagandizing of more and more socialist ideology, the corruption, the incompetence, the DEI hiring tendencies, the unions...100% of it is not only completely predictable, it's amazing to me that conservatives think that it can exist any other way.
That "school choice" or vouchers or "putting prayer or the Ten Commandments back in the classroom" will save it.
It is from the state, and to the state it will always return.
I'm not 100% opposed to having public programs to aid people in educating themselves and their children. Public libraries are a good example, and my idea is that the system needs to be converted into something a lot more like a public library and nationwide online learning center than the compulsory babysitting/welfare dispensing/socialist hunk of cheese we have now.
But the first thing that has to happen is that we have to stop forcing everyone to go, and we need to communicate to the public that it is their responsibility to see to it that their children are educated, not the state's.
If anybody is interested I can go into more detail about what I think that should look like and what resources I do think are still reasonable to offer as public aids, but that one thing is non-negotiable for me. Stop with the compelling people to go.
This post was edited on 9/22/26 at 5:05 pm
Posted on 9/22/26 at 5:22 pm to 4cubbies
quote:Statistics.
Why isn’t this indicative of some abnormality or problem with the test?
The 13-school "zero proficient" MCAP statistic was MD specific from the Algebra I exam (9th grade).
So we could look at similar national data. NAEP data is a proxy comparison for 8th graders. For context, Chicago, a comparable large urban district, scored 21%. Baltimore (including its highest performing JrHigh Schools) score 9%.
NINE PERCENT!
Posted on 9/22/26 at 5:24 pm to Major Dutch Schaefer
And this year's Darwin winner is
Posted on 9/22/26 at 5:30 pm to NC_Tigah
I’m actually not really interested in discussing what to do with failing schools right now. I’m wondering how we evaluate market-based policies like school choice on their ability to produce efficiency when one of the most important market mechanisms (price) is administratively determined. Enrollment responds to consumer choice, but the amount of revenue attached to each student generally does not respond to what it actually costs a particular school to produce the desired outcome.
The school I’m using as a case study is a school in New Orleans that was still closed despite performing well and having satisfied “customers.”
LINK lmk if this is paywalled and I’ll share a pdf.
The school I’m using as a case study is a school in New Orleans that was still closed despite performing well and having satisfied “customers.”
LINK lmk if this is paywalled and I’ll share a pdf.
Posted on 9/22/26 at 5:36 pm to NC_Tigah
I’m also reading Milton Friedman’s essay The Role of Government in Education. Holy shite. For being one of the fathers of neoliberalism, which is radically embraced by political conservatives, his ideals have certainly been perverted AF by the same political Conservatives.
For instance, Friedman claims a liberal education is more advantageous to a citizenry than vocational training.
For instance, Friedman claims a liberal education is more advantageous to a citizenry than vocational training.
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