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re: Why would Maricopa County have a Republican voter heat map on the wall?
Posted on 12/16/22 at 10:06 pm to JJJimmyJimJames
Posted on 12/16/22 at 10:06 pm to JJJimmyJimJames
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what stupid FCKG nonsense. This states elections have been run by FCKG communists and anarchists - legit for real. That FCKRY is why the votes of so many was prevented/oppressed at the polls BY THE FCKG GEORGE SOROS Secretaries of State Project running the piece of schidt KATIE HOBBS
Midol
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Posted on 12/16/22 at 10:10 pm to David_DJS
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Honest question - what does it matter?
Imagine being so fricking stupid that you actually ask this question!!! WOW!
Posted on 12/17/22 at 12:00 am to Toomer Deplorable
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You first. Tell me you are not saying it is a kooky conspiracy theory that long lines were common in Maricopa County on election day?
I’m saying that outside of Anthem, long lines were nothing unusual. Long lines happen in elections. Is someone disenfranchised if they have to wait 60 mins? 90? What’s the threshold for a wait to be “actionable” and for how long does that long of wait have to persist?
Posted on 12/17/22 at 12:01 am to burger bearcat
So they knew where to CHEAT!
Posted on 12/17/22 at 12:02 am to omegaman66
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Imagine being so fricking stupid that you actually ask this question!!! WOW!
Through all your weak/whiny bluster, it’s duly noted that you didn’t answer the question.
Answer the question, genius.
Posted on 12/17/22 at 12:19 am to David_DJS
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Through all your weak/whiny bluster, it’s duly noted that you didn’t answer the question.
Yeah because it was already answered. Read the thread.
Posted on 12/17/22 at 12:35 am to omegaman66
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Yeah because it was already answered. Read the thread.
If I ask what 2 + 2 is and you answer 5, sure, in a sense my question has been answered, but most rational people would consider it yet unanswered.
Posted on 12/17/22 at 7:21 am to Mickey Goldmill
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Long lines happen all over the country in every single election.
In Maricopa County, long lines disproportionately affected Republican precincts. This is what we are discussing Goldmill.
Posted on 12/17/22 at 7:37 am to Toomer Deplorable
quote:It's almost like the partisan maps were used for "planning" ... just as the Maricopa scoundrels claimed.
In Maricopa County, long lines disproportionately affected Republican precincts. This is what we are discussing Goldmill.
Posted on 12/17/22 at 7:43 am to David_DJS
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Is someone disenfranchised if they have to wait 60 mins? 90?
If the long lines resulting from machine malfunctions adversely affected voter turnout in Republican precincts, it certainly raises issues with the legitimacy of the election result, if not questions of orchestrated voter suppression.
This post was edited on 12/17/22 at 10:12 am
Posted on 12/17/22 at 8:01 am to David_DJS
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If I ask what 2 + 2 is and you answer 5, sure, in a sense my question has been answered, but most rational people would consider it yet unanswered.
Just because you disagree with someone’s opinion doesn’t mean it is irrational. Now we can debate whether these widespread tabulation errors were an orchestrated effort to disenfranchise supporters of Kari Lake.
Yet what can’t be debated is the fact that these machine malfunctions adversely affected Republican leaning voting precincts. No amount of dissembling by you changes that reality.
This post was edited on 12/17/22 at 8:03 am
Posted on 12/17/22 at 8:41 am to Mickey Goldmill
quote:With a Quaalude chaser.
what stupid FCKG nonsense. This states elections have been run by FCKG communists and anarchists - legit for real. That FCKRY is why the votes of so many was prevented/oppressed at the polls BY THE FCKG GEORGE SOROS Secretaries of State Project running the piece of schidt KATIE HOBBSquote:
Midol
Posted on 12/17/22 at 10:01 am to David_DJS
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I’m saying that outside of Anthem, long lines were nothing unusual. Long lines happen in elections. Is someone disenfranchised if they have to wait 60 mins? 90? What’s the threshold for a wait to be “actionable” and for how long does that long of wait have to persist?
What could be wrong with using a heat map to vote shave with chaos and long lines on election day when voting is heavily Republican.
Actually, the heat map only makes it a more effective way to openly cheat.
Posted on 12/17/22 at 10:03 am to Toomer Deplorable
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If the long lines resulted from machine malfunctions adversely affected voter turnout in Republican precincts, it certainly raises issues with the legitimacy of the election result, if not questions of orchestrated voter suppression.
Give the dems rap sheet on this kind of cheating, I'd say both.
Posted on 12/17/22 at 10:28 am to Toomer Deplorable
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In Maricopa County, long lines disproportionately affected Republican precincts.
What's the evidence of this? Maybe it's out there, but I haven't seen it, and it hasn't been posted in this thread.
And that's my point. If everyone in this thread was discussing possibilities and questions they'd like answered, I'd be onboard. I've got questions, too - though not tabulator or long lines related - but you're posting shite like it's fact.
And I think it's counterproductive. I even think the Left fuels it, because they know if they can fill the room up with utter bullshite, the questions that need to be answered are more easily deflected.
Based on what I've seen, signature verification and chain of custody are real issues/questions. The rest of it is just noise that, if anything, is counterproductive.
Posted on 12/17/22 at 11:20 am to David_DJS
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What's the evidence of this? Maybe it's out there, but I haven't seen it, and it hasn't been posted in this thread.
Again, It has been answered REPEATEDLY above by multiple posters. Just because you seem incapable of understanding the answer does not invalidate the answer.
Posted on 12/17/22 at 11:32 am to Toomer Deplorable
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Again, It has been answered REPEATEDLY above by multiple posters. Just because you seem incapable of understanding the answer does not invalidate the answer.
Rather than typing this line out, why wouldn't it be easier to actually answer the question? If it's so factual, so obvious - just type it out. It's not like I wouldn't be happy if there was evidence of loads of long lines selectively disenfranchising Republicans - maybe something could be done and my state won't have to endure 4 years of Hobbs.
Posted on 12/17/22 at 11:40 am to David_DJS
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Rather than typing this line out, why wouldn't it be easier to actually answer the question?
Again, I answered it above in clear and plain language yet I can’t make you understand it — that is up to you. We both are repeating ourselves here so you may have the last word if you so choose.
This post was edited on 12/17/22 at 11:41 am
Posted on 12/17/22 at 12:07 pm to David_DJS
quote:Reasonable question. I'd responded anecdotally about reports through the day indicating GOP voters getting disproportionately affected. Mail-in voting leans heavily democrat. Election day voting is heavily GOP. With that in mind, here is what the Washington Post reported:
What's the evidence of this? Maybe it's out there, but I haven't seen it, and it hasn't been posted in this thread.
quote:So the post looked at the large number of precincts (roughly half the county) involved, and conclude:
The Post identified the precincts of affected voting locations using data provided by Maricopa County election officials and then examined the voter registration breakdown within each precinct using data from L2, an election data provider.
The analysis found that the proportion of registered Republicans in affected precincts, about 37 percent, is virtually the same as the share of registered Republicans across the county, which stands at 35 percent.
Throughout the week, prominent Republicans suggested without evidence that the problem with printers only affected Republican areas.
Lake, addressing reporters after voting with her family at a site downtown, said, “There’s a reason we decided to change locations — we were going to go to a pretty Republican area.” Instead, she said, “We came right down to the heart of liberal Phoenix to vote because we wanted to make sure that we had good machines.”
“And guess what?” she added. “They’ve had zero problems with their machines today. Not one machine spit out a ballot here today. Not one, in a very liberal area. So we were right to come and vote in a very liberal area.”
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(1) Average proportion of registered Republicans in the county is 35% and the numbers in the affected precincts are only 37% (Of course that means the proportion of GOP in unaffected areas would only be ~33%)
(2) The WaPost writers accidentally left off the fact those differentials are likely doubled due to disproportionate GOP election day voting. Just an oversight, I'm sure.
It's WaPost BS, but that at least gives some numbers to start.
Posted on 12/17/22 at 12:36 pm to Toomer Deplorable
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Again, I answered it above in clear and plain language
I scrolled through this whole thread. Here's what I found addressing long lines throughout Maricopa County.
A quick exchange with NCT
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My Post: I've read this on this site a few times and have asked - where is the source for this? I'm not suggesting it's not true, but where's the evidence of this?
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NCT: It was being reported all day. The GOP went to court seeking extended hours for affected precincts. Maricopa officials objected, and the judge turned down the requests. CNBC even mentioned it in one of their news segments.
loogaroo posted:
Suntimes
I asked where the embedded data came from. Nobody answered. It's a little off that in a published report focused on the data, there's no reference or explanation for what we're looking at. Moreover, even taking it as Gospel, it doesn't prove tabulator issues created long lines for only or mostly Republicans.
Then from one of your posts -
And indeed, it appears there were widespread reports of long-lines at Republican leaning precincts because of this turn-out
Then you followed this up with two tweets of the same long line in Anthem.
A post or two later, you linked a local TV report of "long lines across Maricopa County" - where a reporter described lines, at that moment of the day (early evening) that were 60-90 mins long.
And so I asked a question - how long does a line have to be for it to be evidence of voter suppression? Nobody answered, and I don't even know what my opinion is on the question - but I do know local reporting paints this picture:
1. There were 223 voting centers across metro-Phoenix. Think about what that means.
2. More than half of the voting centers had a PEAK wait time of 15 minutes or less.
3. At 207 of the 223 voting centers, the PEAK wait never exceeded 60 minutes.
4. So PEAK wait times exceeded an hour at 16 out of 223 voting centers, and only Anthem saw a wait time that ever exceeded 2 hours.
Anthem is fairly isolated north of the city, so the option of jumping in the car and driving 2-3 miles to another voting center with a shorter line wasn't available for them. But for the rest of the Valley, it was. For the voting center in the TV report you linked - there were 2 voting centers within 2 miles. What are the chances both of them had 60+ min waits?
Nobody has made a compelling argument or given convincing evidence that long wait times, the kind that disenfranchise voters, was a problem in Maricopa County outside of Anthem.
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