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re: Why would Maricopa County have a Republican voter heat map on the wall?
Posted on 12/17/22 at 12:44 pm to NC_Tigah
Posted on 12/17/22 at 12:44 pm to NC_Tigah
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So the post looked at the large number of precincts (roughly half the county) involved, and conclude:
(1) Average proportion of registered Republicans in the county is 35% and the numbers in the affected precincts are only 37% (Of course that means the proportion of GOP in unaffected areas would only be ~33%)
(2) The WaPost writers accidentally left off the fact those differentials are likely doubled due to disproportionate GOP election day voting. Just an oversight, I'm sure.
It's WaPost BS, but that at least gives some numbers to start.
The numbers are interesting and really don't tell the story we'd like them to tell, but outside of signatures and chain of custody, the issues/questions relating to voter suppression targeting Republicans can be settled with simply understanding how the election was conducted. What the printer/tabulator issues meant in practice, how voters are not limited to voting in a particular precinct, and voting centers blanketed Maricopa County.
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Posted on 12/17/22 at 12:59 pm to NC_Tigah
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NC_Tigah
You might as well be responding to a brick wall: no amount of “evidence” will change his mind.
No video “evidence” was presented in a court of law capturing O.J. slashing Nicole Simpson’s throat ergo O.J. is innocent.
DJS seems either unwilling or incapable of drawing utterly logical and wholly reasonable inferences that these voter tabulation issues disproportionately affected Republican voters.
This post was edited on 12/17/22 at 1:00 pm
Posted on 12/17/22 at 1:02 pm to Toomer Deplorable
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DJS seems either unwilling or incapable of drawing utterly logical and wholly reasonable inferences that demonstrate that plenty of evidence exists that these voter tabulation issues disproportionately affected Republican voters.
That's not what we were debating. Why are you changing the subject here?
I never argued that tabulator issues didn't disproportionately affect Republicans. It's pretty obvious they did simply because far more Republicans than Dems voted in person. But you can't, or at least haven't, shown that that mattered or that Republicans were disenfranchised.
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You might as well be responding to a brick wall: no amount of “evidence” will change his mind.
Says the guy that thinks tweets are evidence of voter disenfranchisement.
This post was edited on 12/17/22 at 1:04 pm
Posted on 12/17/22 at 1:09 pm to Toomer Deplorable
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DJS seems either unwilling or incapable of drawing utterly logical and wholly reasonable inferences that these voter tabulation issues disproportionately affected Republican voters.
Even if there wasn't specific precinct targeting to shave and depress Republican voting, I'm pretty sure that the dems know that Republicans in general skew toward voting on election day.
Nothing like loaded dice.
Posted on 12/17/22 at 1:18 pm to Auburn1968
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election day.
What a quaint term. We used to vote on one day, count the votes during the night and announce the winner the next day.
“Election Day” is a term we need to jettison into the trash-bin of history. We now vote during election month or election season and then the votes are tabulated till the preferred results are achieved.
This post was edited on 12/17/22 at 1:23 pm
Posted on 12/17/22 at 1:21 pm to David_DJS
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Maricopa Poll Worker CONFIRMS: Poll Workers WERE NOT trained properly, voters were 100% disenfranchised.
“Every single one of us who’s a poll worker right now is making fun of you”
https://twitter.com/i/status/1597292104211832832
Posted on 12/17/22 at 1:29 pm to loogaroo
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Maricopa Poll Worker CONFIRMS: Poll Workers WERE NOT trained properly, voters were 100% disenfranchised.
Do you know how many voters there were that left one center for another only to be told they didn't check out of the last one properly, and weren't allowed to vote?
122 is the answer.
Of those 122, 109 ended up casting a vote.
So we can agree that 13 voters were disenfranchised. Not something to be happy about, and clearly the election was run poorly - but this is not widespread Republican voter suppression.
Posted on 12/17/22 at 1:44 pm to David_DJS
quote:The issues meant in practice that 1 in 5 precincts ran >2hr waits over the norm. There were lines after the precincts closed.
What the printer/tabulator issues meant in practice, how voters are not limited to voting in a particular precinct, and voting centers blanketed Maricopa County.
A judge was asked by the GOP to remedy the situation by extending hours in the affected precinct.
DEMOCRATS argued against extending hours. Let's repeat for the WashPost readers, DEMOCRATS argued against extending hours.
One more, in case it's not clear, DEMOCRATS argued against extending hours.
If someone is seriously inquiring as to who was disadvantaged, who was anxious to disenfranchise voters, and who benefitted from the Maricopa f/u, DEMOCRATS argued against extending hours.
The Maricopa officials who screwed voters also argued against extending hours. Almost unbelievably under the circumstances, the Judge opted to close the precincts on time w/o extending hours.
Posted on 12/17/22 at 1:49 pm to NC_Tigah
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The issues meant in practice that 1 in 5 precincts ran >2hr waits over the norm.
This isn't true. It's not even close to being true.
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DEMOCRATS argued against extending hours. Let's repeat for the WashPost readers, DEMOCRATS argued against extending hours. One more, in case it's not clear, DEMOCRATS argued against extending hours.
Yep. I've posted to this affect. But they're they party for voter rights.
That said, we didn't need extended hours outside of Anthem.
Posted on 12/17/22 at 1:53 pm to David_DJS
quote:You're not serious are you?
So we can agree that 13 voters were disenfranchised.
If Victor Voter sees a three hour line at his precinct, but Victor only has a two hour window to vote before he has an unbreakable appt/responsibility, is he disenfranchised when he leaves without voting?
Now then, in accordance with your assessment above, was Victor disenfranchised? How would anyone even know to count him?
Posted on 12/17/22 at 1:55 pm to David_DJS
quote:Okay. I'm done. I thought you were legitimately asking.
This isn't true. It's not even close to being true.
Posted on 12/17/22 at 1:55 pm to NC_Tigah
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If Victor Voter sees a three hour line at his precinct, but Victor only has a two hour window to vote before he has an unbreakable appt/responsibility, is he disenfranchised when he leaves without voting?
Now then, in accordance with your assessment above, was Victor disenfranchised? How would anyone even know to count him?
A 3 hour line? Yeah, I'd definitely call that disenfranchisement.
That didn't happen in Maricopa County last month.
Posted on 12/17/22 at 1:56 pm to NC_Tigah
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DEMOCRATS argued against extending hours. Let's repeat for the WashPost readers, DEMOCRATS argued against extending hours. One more, in case it's not clear, DEMOCRATS argued against extending hours.
I’m telling you doc, you might as well be carrying on this conversation with a brick & mortar wall.
Posted on 12/17/22 at 1:57 pm to NC_Tigah
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Okay. I'm done. I thought you were legitimately asking.
You can be done, but you're 100% wrong in your belief that 1 in 5 voting centers in Maricopa county had 2hr+ waits.
Posted on 12/17/22 at 1:59 pm to Toomer Deplorable
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I’m telling you doc, you might as well be carrying on this conversation with a brick & mortar wall.
A brick & mortar wall that knows wtf he's talking about.
You don't.
Where is the credible reporting that 20% of voting centers in Maricopa County had 2 hour waits? FFS if is was true, why is it being kept secret?
Posted on 12/17/22 at 2:01 pm to David_DJS
quote:... and not a link was posted. I'll take your word for it though. The CNBC reporter in AZ, filming a line as she reported, was lying. Got it.
You can be done, but you're 100% wrong in your belief that 1 in 5 voting centers in Maricopa county had 2hr+ waits.
Posted on 12/17/22 at 2:12 pm to NC_Tigah
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and not a link was posted. I'll take your word for it though.
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The CNBC reporter in AZ, filming a line as she reported, was lying. Got it.
Where's the link to the CNBC reporter telling us that 20% of voting centers in Maricopa County had 2hr+ waits? I don't even see a link to a CNBC report.
Posted on 12/17/22 at 2:25 pm to David_DJS
quote:Do you know what CNBC is David?
Where's the link to the CNBC reporter telling us that 20% of voting centers in Maricopa County had 2hr+ waits?
It's a financial news channel on TV.
I didn't have the DVR on (to record it) in anticipation of a poster here not being able to use Google.
Sorry!
Here's a Phoenix Newscast from election day. They said 1 1/2 hours ... "all over the county" ... AFTER the printer-scanner issue was fixed.
Maybe they are lying too?
I have no way of proving they aren't, because I wasn't personally there.
So maybe they hired a bunch of people to make the line look really, really, really long to embellish the story.
This post was edited on 12/17/22 at 2:26 pm
Posted on 12/17/22 at 2:43 pm to NC_Tigah
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Do you know what CNBC is David?
It's a financial news channel on TV.
I didn't have the DVR on (to record it) in anticipation of a poster here not being able to use Google.
Sorry!
Don't be mad that you can't link your "evidence" in a post where you inferred I shouldn't be believed because I didn't link my evidence.
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Here's a Phoenix Newscast from election day. They said 1 1/2 hours ... "all over the county" ... AFTER the printer-scanner issue was fixed.
Why isn't the 1 1/2 hours part in quotes? Because they didn't report there were 90 minute lines all over the county, that's why.
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I have no way of proving they aren't, because I wasn't personally there.
I was. I voted in one of those voting centers, and I paid attention to wait times across the valley (reported in real time at each voting center) given the discussions that were being had on this board.
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So maybe they hired a bunch of people to embellish the story.
Or, maybe a lot of people that know what they want to see, are seeing it where it actually doesn't exist. And they're helped in this effort by agitators on both sides who benefit from loads of conservatives believing 2-3 hour long lines were commonplace in Maricopa County on election day.
Posted on 12/17/22 at 2:45 pm to burger bearcat
It's really strange that that heat map was supposedly just hanging up bigger than life right up there on the wall inside of the Maricopa County Election Center just after the midterm election.
Kind of suspicious that they would have left the map on the wall even after the election.
Wait a minute. This might explain it. Baris writes for the Tea Party Tribune.
Kind of suspicious that they would have left the map on the wall even after the election.
Wait a minute. This might explain it. Baris writes for the Tea Party Tribune.
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