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re: Why most academics lean left
Posted on 12/10/18 at 8:12 am to oogabooga68
Posted on 12/10/18 at 8:12 am to oogabooga68
I don’t agree with that at all. Most doctorates are useless in the private sector. If you have no intention of teaching, why pursue one?
Does that mean highly functional professionals with post graduate degrees couldn’t hack it in a PhD program? Hardly.
This idea that college professors are enlightened is a goddam knee-slapper.
Does that mean highly functional professionals with post graduate degrees couldn’t hack it in a PhD program? Hardly.
This idea that college professors are enlightened is a goddam knee-slapper.
Posted on 12/10/18 at 8:13 am to TbirdSpur2010
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Your reality is steeped in racism so I'm happy to exist with only a cursory knowledge of that hellscape you call your "reality
By the way when you were talking about series not being a prominent proponent of ideas becoming reality....
Idea:
idea noun
\i-'de-?, -'de? also 'i-(?)de-? or 'i-de\
Definition of idea
1 : a formulated thought or opinion
Formulated. There it is. Ideas. yeah
Posted on 12/10/18 at 8:14 am to Ebbandflow
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don't think you really understand my reality very well.
This may be your issue. Your reality doesn’t mean anything, nor does it require or should you expect others to try to understand “your reality”. Reality is reality. Your perception of it is inconsequential. Is this the type of BS they are teaching in undergrad psych classes nowadays?
Posted on 12/10/18 at 8:20 am to Ebbandflow
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By the way when you were talking about series not being a prominent proponent of ideas becoming reality....
Not a rebuttal of your racist hellscape.
Interesting.
Posted on 12/10/18 at 8:23 am to Vacherie Saint
Just jumping in as a member of academia. There are plenty of us in the hard sciences and engineering that have a great deal of private industry research dollars. We didn't go into academia because we couldn't hack it in the real world, we went into it for the freedom. We're not all SJWs (though I'm embarrassed how many pedagogical trends are trying to bring more of that trash into the classroom), and many of us are even MAGA.
I try to make it very clear in my classes that nature, math, and all of science doesn't give two shits how you feel about anything, it comes down to the binary choice of does it work or not.
I try to make it very clear in my classes that nature, math, and all of science doesn't give two shits how you feel about anything, it comes down to the binary choice of does it work or not.
Posted on 12/10/18 at 8:25 am to Robin Masters
A great comedic interpretation of why academia is left leaning
Just a lil respect
Just a lil respect
Posted on 12/10/18 at 8:29 am to BBONDS25
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Reality is reality
Not according to "her truth"....
Posted on 12/10/18 at 8:30 am to BamaChemE
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I try to make it very clear in my classes that nature, math, and all of science doesn't give two shits how you feel about anything, it comes down to the binary choice of does it work or not.
Then you are one of the good guys.
Does it scare you to see how the Left is now trying to interject identity politics into STEM?
Posted on 12/10/18 at 8:34 am to Ebbandflow
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Thats how things start the process of coming into reality.
This is such an overgeneralization. This applies to inventing things, not social/political theories. You know why? Because humans are inherently flawed creatures. They aren’t a variable that you can quantify exactly.
Posted on 12/10/18 at 8:41 am to SlowFlowPro
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These 'intellectuals' are caught up in the group-think that = "if only the world worked this way, everything would be easy." They are constantly looking for the anti-gravity machine or the perpetual motion system.
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this isn't even really true
Can't tell what your emphasis is here - I was using the anti-gravity machine as a metaphor not asserting that specifically what they are doing.
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what these academics primarily rely upon to create novelty is deconstruction practices. they're trying to attack societal foundations and accepted beliefs so that they can get those ideas published. this is why they latch onto overlapping ideas like postmodernism, b/c much of that philosophy is a similar deconstruction (of truth, on a much more general level)
I think we are on the same page here, but I hesitate to delve into subjects such as 'postmodernism' - I am not smart enough for that.
My overall point in this entire thread is to differentiate between people who know a lot about a very limited subject matter as being "smarter" than an ordinary person who is providing for himself quite well in spite of having no certified 'college education' e.g. a welder.
I made the observation that a 'genders studies' graduate is not necessarily 'smarter' than a welder.
I hold to my belief that "__________ studies" is pretty much worthless unless you are trying to impress some ideological - rather than real world - adherents. Personally I think that is dumb, far from being smart. And I think anyone who desires to pursue such a degree is not very smart - they may become highly 'educated' in the foundations of the ideology and may learn a lot of rhetorical flourishes to regurgitate instead of debating anyone who disagrees with them - but I view that as the opposite of 'smart.'
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they're trying to attack societal foundations and accepted beliefs
This is obviously their objective - tear down anything that got the country to the successful and moral status we enjoy - then take over the reins of power to rule over what others built.
I am of the belief that cultural changes ought to occur naturally, over periods of time - certainly not by legislation or fiat.
Just pondering the number of 'progressive' cultural 'advancements' that have popped up withn the past decade is enough to raise alarm bells with me - and to devote entire academic courses that search for ever more 'ways we can improve' society is the opposite of 'smart.'
It is dystopian.
Posted on 12/10/18 at 8:46 am to BamaChemE
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Just jumping in as a member of academia. There are plenty of us in the hard sciences and engineering that have a great deal of private industry research dollars. We didn't go into academia because we couldn't hack it in the real world, we went into it for the freedom. We're not all SJWs (though I'm embarrassed how many pedagogical trends are trying to bring more of that trash into the classroom), and many of us are even MAGA.
I try to make it very clear in my classes that nature, math, and all of science doesn't give two shits how you feel about anything, it comes down to the binary choice of does it work or not.
And this is what I would expect from a university.
Posted on 12/10/18 at 9:01 am to Robin Masters
I read this article independently from the post, and haven't read all the replies, but I will offer an opinion from the inside.
Academics are overwhelmingly liberal - that is no secret. I believe that there is a significant number of conservatives in academia that are afraid to publicly admit such because liberalism is so rampant. For example, a study recently showed that 98% of sociology professors are liberal. That is shocking. However, I know three sociology professors very well. Two of them are MAGA af.
The opinion offered that academics often value theory over practicality is valid. I find myself doing it as well - I think its why I once had a flirtation with big L libertarianism. Theory is important, but ignore absolutes to promote one's theory is intellectually dishonest - and that's where academia fails miserably.
The those who can, do/those who can't, teach manta offends my colleagues, but its true to a certain extent. I worked in the corporate world for a decade before I entered academia. I feel that I could return but I enjoy what I do. My students regularly tell me that they enjoy my classes and my insight.
A great many of my colleagues have not left a college campus since they first step foot on one at 17-18 years old. That creates a dangerous worldview.
Academics are overwhelmingly liberal - that is no secret. I believe that there is a significant number of conservatives in academia that are afraid to publicly admit such because liberalism is so rampant. For example, a study recently showed that 98% of sociology professors are liberal. That is shocking. However, I know three sociology professors very well. Two of them are MAGA af.
The opinion offered that academics often value theory over practicality is valid. I find myself doing it as well - I think its why I once had a flirtation with big L libertarianism. Theory is important, but ignore absolutes to promote one's theory is intellectually dishonest - and that's where academia fails miserably.
The those who can, do/those who can't, teach manta offends my colleagues, but its true to a certain extent. I worked in the corporate world for a decade before I entered academia. I feel that I could return but I enjoy what I do. My students regularly tell me that they enjoy my classes and my insight.
A great many of my colleagues have not left a college campus since they first step foot on one at 17-18 years old. That creates a dangerous worldview.
Posted on 12/10/18 at 9:09 am to BamaChemE
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I try to make it very clear in my classes that nature, math, and all of science doesn't give two shits how you feel about anything, it comes down to the binary choice of does it work or not.
Awesome.
I teach in the humanities. I tell my students when they choose something to write about - I am not interested in their opinion and that they must cite sources from both sides and be prepared to discuss merits from both sides without inserting their opinion.
To this day, one of the best presentations I have ever had in a class was by a stoner discussing marijuana legalization.
Posted on 12/10/18 at 9:13 am to anc
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I believe that there is a significant number of conservatives in academia that are afraid to publicly admit such because liberalism is so rampant.
They aren't afraid to admin their Political leanings because Liberalism is rampant, it is because Liberalism is petty, vindictive and demands absolute obedience.
Posted on 12/10/18 at 9:49 am to 995webmaster
Nice try.
This post was edited on 12/10/18 at 9:51 am
Posted on 12/10/18 at 10:06 am to 995webmaster
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Because they're smart.
Yep, those academics seem to be educated far beyond their levels of intelligence.
Posted on 12/10/18 at 10:24 am to Robin Masters
This leaves out an important additional reason: the tenure structure.
You get tenure by publishing. Publishing especially in the "soft" arts that tend to run the most rampant with leftists (English, sociology, cultural studies, etc) are all about criticism. Feminist critique, Marxist critique, post-colonial critique, etc. You don't get published for saying how great things are. You get published for attacking institutions. These academics are professional critics.
And then they get tenure which is a whole other conversation.
You get tenure by publishing. Publishing especially in the "soft" arts that tend to run the most rampant with leftists (English, sociology, cultural studies, etc) are all about criticism. Feminist critique, Marxist critique, post-colonial critique, etc. You don't get published for saying how great things are. You get published for attacking institutions. These academics are professional critics.
And then they get tenure which is a whole other conversation.
Posted on 12/10/18 at 10:27 am to anc
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A great many of my colleagues have not left a college campus since they first step foot on one at 17-18 years old. That creates a dangerous worldview.
That is academic incest - over time it produces horribly deformed offspring.
Posted on 12/10/18 at 10:36 am to Robin Masters
I know a few guys who went to Berklee School of Music who can listen to a song and write out every part, every note, perfectly after 1-2 listens. To hear them attempt to play it is brutal.
I also know guys on Bourbon who couldn't write out the music they listen to if their life depended on it, but could play it perfectly after 1-2 listens.
This is academia vs real life in a nutshell. I always remember the scene in Back to School when Thorton Mellon tells the class how the real world operates and the professor being pissed. It's absolutely spot on.
Intangibles don't exist in academia, and thats not reality.
I also know guys on Bourbon who couldn't write out the music they listen to if their life depended on it, but could play it perfectly after 1-2 listens.
This is academia vs real life in a nutshell. I always remember the scene in Back to School when Thorton Mellon tells the class how the real world operates and the professor being pissed. It's absolutely spot on.
Intangibles don't exist in academia, and thats not reality.
Posted on 12/10/18 at 10:39 am to Ebbandflow
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if you took the same person and then one timeline had them go learn to be a welder
See - this is where you miss the boat.
I was not referring to someone who 'knew how to weld' - I was referring to someone who was a welder - meaning that was his profession - that he had spent the time to not only 'learn to weld' but went out and was successful at doing it.
That would be a person who was well grounded in the world he lived in. He would have had clients who were middle class, ultra rich, even some who were poor. He would have satisfied all of them to become successful. He would be a complete citizen.
A 'gender studies' graduate would only deal with others interested in 'gender studies' or some similar offshoot. No ordinary citizen would need anything he 'produced' nor would they care what he 'knew' that made him so smart - and certainly would not value his opinion over that of a welder on anything of importance.
I am asserting that getting a degree in '--------- studies' is a mastabutory exercise - it might make you feel good while you are doing it - but nobody else is interested in its outcome.
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