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re: Why most academics lean left
Posted on 12/10/18 at 6:53 am to oogabooga68
Posted on 12/10/18 at 6:53 am to oogabooga68
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Your assumption is based on your limited life experience.
Why didn't start college until I was 22 so I know what it's like be educated in a workforce and I know what it's like to be educated in college. I'm thankful for every day that I was able to learn in school.
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There are many types of welders in the world and in may cases they must go thru rigorous training to do their job.
I'm not saying their jobs aren't hard but I think it's a little sophomoric to say that a welder is smarter. I'm not saying a welder is dumber nor am I saying they are smarter. But that same welder would probably be smarter if we went to school and learned 120 + curriculum hours in and organized and thoughtful environment.
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Getting a degree in Womerns' Studies isn't nearly as impressive as learning to become an underwater welder and I would gather that in most cases, yes, the person who is the underwater welder is smarter than the blue-haired freak who got their degree by parroting the party line.
Sounds like you have a bias based on an associative stereotype
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Posted on 12/10/18 at 6:55 am to Ebbandflow
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a little sophomoric to say that a welder is smarter.
It is ignorant to do anything other than judge them on a case by case basis.
People like you feel the need to put people into neat little boxes.
Posted on 12/10/18 at 6:55 am to Robin Masters
They love gubment cheese.
Posted on 12/10/18 at 6:56 am to oogabooga68
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And for the record, if 90% of the so called "intellectuals" died today, the world would be fine, however, if 90% of the welders/plumbers/garbagemen died we are in a world of zhit.
Would probably encourage Automation in those areas. Adversity creates evolution
Posted on 12/10/18 at 6:56 am to Ebbandflow
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Sounds like you have a bias based on an associative stereotype
No, just great observational skills.
Posted on 12/10/18 at 6:57 am to oogabooga68
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It is ignorant to do anything other than judge them on a case by case basis.
People like you feel the need to put people into neat little boxes.
I find this statement a little ironic until I realized that you didn't realize that I was responding to someone who did that very thing and I was trying to correct it. You should look at when I was replying to before you make an assumption
Posted on 12/10/18 at 6:58 am to Robin Masters
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I walked around as you do, investigating
the endless star,
and in my net, during the night, I woke up naked,
the only thing caught, a fish trapped inside the wind
Posted on 12/10/18 at 6:59 am to Ebbandflow
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Thats how things start the process of coming into reality.
let's apply this concept to....soft sciences that primarily deal in subjectivity
especially those without rigorous testing/measurement methods and groupthink as a gatekeeper
what you find is that "reality" is not actual reality
Posted on 12/10/18 at 7:01 am to abitaman6363
quote:Youve made this up in your head. The right has nothing against “intellectualism.” In fact, if you look at political “intellectuals” on the Internet today you’ll find that the majority of them are right wing. Academia =\= intellectualism. That’s a myth
the Right’s adversity to intellectualism in current politics. To be labeled an intellectual by the right these days is typically a negative charge—but part of that adversity to “intellectualism” is troubling to me.
Posted on 12/10/18 at 7:01 am to Ebbandflow
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I find this statement a little ironic until I realized that you didn't realize that I was responding to someone who did that very thing and I was trying to correct it.
No, no assumption, it's directed toward you.
You have a history of painting those you disagree with a broad brush.
You have a history of seeing the world thru your own particular, narrow world view.
Your ego and overblown sense of self forces you to do so.
Posted on 12/10/18 at 7:02 am to Vacherie Saint
quote:One wonders what your major field of study might have been.
Every college professor I ever had was a socially dysfunctional, cat hair covered mess.
This was NOT the case in the College of Business AT ALL, and only applied to about 1/4 of my law professors.
Posted on 12/10/18 at 7:03 am to ChineseBandit58
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These 'intellectuals' are caught up in the group-think that = "if only the world worked this way, everything would be easy." They are constantly looking for the anti-gravity machine or the perpetual motion system.
this isn't even really true
most everything of note in the soft sciences, from a founational perspective, has already been crafted, discussed, disected, etc
what these academics primarily rely upon to create novelty is deconstruction practices. they're trying to attack societal foundations and accepted beliefs so that they can get those ideas published. this is why they latch onto overlapping ideas like postmodernism, b/c much of that philosophy is a similar deconstruction (of truth, on a much more general level)
Posted on 12/10/18 at 7:04 am to oogabooga68
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You have a history of painting those you disagree with a broad brush.
Well, you just described 90% of this board.
Posted on 12/10/18 at 7:06 am to Jorts R Us
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Well, you just described 90% of this board.
Perhaps true, but Ebb is a huge narcissist so naturally it's a target.
Everyone loves the smell of their own farts, but most have the sense enough to know they stink and the decency to admit it.....most Leftists do not and Ebb is a prime example.
Posted on 12/10/18 at 7:07 am to AggieHank86
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One wonders what your major field of study might have been. This was NOT the case in the College of Business AT ALL, and only applied to about 1/4 of my law professors.
Yeah. Generally speaking, huge difference between the guys in the Accounting school vs a poli sci professor.
Posted on 12/10/18 at 7:09 am to oogabooga68
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You have a history of painting those you disagree with a broad brush.
You have a history of seeing the world thru your own particular, narrow world view.
Your ego and overblown sense of self forces you to do so.
Nah. Im an ENTP so understanding a multitude of perspectives entices me highly. It's the whole reason why I come here and put up counter arguments that I don't even necessarily believe sometimes. I gather perspectives.
I also understand how to speak to other perspectives once I've processed them. The person I was responding to said a welder smarter than someone who started in women's gender studies. I started off by speaking a similar language enough to show how that isn't necessarily so. Then you came in and started throwing the yellow flag without truly observing the whole conversation. Maybe those observational skills need a little polishing or maybe just stop assuming so much
Posted on 12/10/18 at 7:10 am to abitaman6363
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I’m also curious as to OPs thoughts re: the Right’s adversity to intellectualism in current politics. To be labeled an intellectual by the right these days is typically a negative charge—but part of that adversity to “intellectualism” is troubling to me.
well the problem is if you present intellectual/academic work that isn't part of the left's collective groupthink, you're outcast as an x-ist
Posted on 12/10/18 at 7:11 am to Ebbandflow
quote:If application of those "critical thinking skills" relates to a mechanical challenge or "some assembly required", I'd guess your prof would underperform. It's not that he's stupid. He is just severely inexperienced (and disinterested) in real world applications.
So you believe welding makes one smarter than having to write countless papers, learn new information, use critical thinking skills, and take a baseline coursework of a multitude of subjects? Yeah, welders are probably generally smarter.
That disinterest represent a disconnect often separating fantasy from reality.
It's sort of like the manufacturing engineer who fancies himself a design genius. He never actually visits the assembly line, but assumes any problems on the line relate to blue collar ineptitude. Whereas in reality, those blue collar workers have implemented a number of workarounds to render the engineer's design functional.
Posted on 12/10/18 at 7:11 am to Ebbandflow
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Nah. Im an ENTP
Posted on 12/10/18 at 7:13 am to Ebbandflow
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So you believe welding makes one smarter than having to write countless papers, learn new information, use critical thinking skills, and take a baseline coursework of a multitude of subjects? Yeah, welders are probably generally smarter
Any of the new “fields” like Gender Studies are a complete waste of money. So what if you can write a paper or research something like “Dog Park Rape Culture”? Most the people that pursue such degrees are the anti-social kid that would not be able to cut it in the real world.
“Gender Studies”.....seriously?
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