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re: Why Judge Boasberg is Wrong
Posted on 3/18/25 at 2:42 pm to Nosevens
Posted on 3/18/25 at 2:42 pm to Nosevens
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or any invasion or predatory incursion is perpetrated, attempted, or threatened against the territory of the United States by any foreign nation or government
So Trump and Stephen Miller say that a gang operating within the US that includes foreign nationals are "terrorists." That doesn't invoke the statute.
Trump says that all these foreigners who have entered the US is an "invasion." That doesn't trigger the law either.
There has to be an invasion "by any foreign nation or government."
Trump should simply use existing immigration law to remove the criminals in the ordinary course. War powers are not available here.
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Posted on 3/18/25 at 2:42 pm to SlowFlowPro
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That is 100% not clear,
Trump has stated that it is a invasion on multiple times publicly. I think this is the angle he will use.
Posted on 3/18/25 at 2:44 pm to Warboo
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Trump has stated that it is a invasion on multiple times publicly
That doesn't make it legally correct.
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I think this is the angle he will use.
I'm sure it will, based on how his admin has argued that the Executive should basically have unlimited and unchecked power
Posted on 3/18/25 at 2:45 pm to SlowFlowPro
We all pick our arguments on here.
Posted on 3/18/25 at 2:46 pm to TBoy
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TBoy
Leftist like this guy have been reduced to tears over murderers, rapists and thieves but were fine with throwing the book at grandma for walking into the Capitol building on Jan 06.
Posted on 3/18/25 at 2:46 pm to goatmilker
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We all pick our arguments on here.
Yes and I stated mine in here on page 1
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There has to be some sort of overview that the president's actions fall within the statutory authority given by congress. The president is only allowed to act within those boundaries, so if he used this law on a person outside the class the law applied to, how else would we resolve the issue if a court could not review it?
Posted on 3/18/25 at 2:47 pm to Bard
I don't care if he was wrong or right. I really don't. We need to stop this shite. Let's stop pretending it's legitimate. Let's stop pretending to accept the idea that the only problem is that the lower judge fricked up. No that is not the problem. The problem is pretending he has the authority in the first place. He does not and we need to put a stop to it fricking now
Posted on 3/18/25 at 2:58 pm to Yokelhoma
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So this board (and apparently Trump's administration) is now contending that the government of Venezuela is invading the United States?
CNN's Katie Hunt, is that you?
Posted on 3/18/25 at 3:04 pm to SlowFlowPro
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There has to be some sort of overview that the president's actions
In theory, every single deportation could get muddied up in court and nothing would ever get accomplished.
Posted on 3/18/25 at 3:05 pm to TBoy
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which means suspension of your and my individual rights.
Like the China Virus? are you fully boosted and wearing your mask?
Measles is killing kids by th ones as the tremendous resurgence is occuring.
I'm so glad all the illegal insurgents were fully tested and vaxed before being turned lose on unsuspecting communities.
Posted on 3/18/25 at 3:11 pm to deathvalleytiger10
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In theory, every single deportation could get muddied up in court and nothing would ever get accomplished.
Why?
Normal deportations are already subject to statutory regulations and judicial oversight, and that doesn't happen.
The President isn't actively involved in D2D operations of immigration court.
Posted on 3/18/25 at 3:14 pm to Bard
If they are in the U.S. illegally, why is reliance on the statute even necessary?
Posted on 3/18/25 at 3:15 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Why?
Why not? It would certainly seems it would be easy to do.
Give the left time SFP, they will find a new angle to slow Trump down.
Posted on 3/18/25 at 3:21 pm to deathvalleytiger10
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Why not?
As I said
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Normal deportations are already subject to statutory regulations and judicial oversight, and that doesn't happen.
The President isn't actively involved in D2D operations of immigration court.
Posted on 3/18/25 at 3:25 pm to SlowFlowPro
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and that doesn't happen.
Yet
Posted on 3/18/25 at 3:29 pm to TS1926
quote:BINGO
Leftist like this guy have been reduced to tears over murderers, rapists and thieves but were fine with throwing the book at grandma for walking into the Capitol building on Jan 06.
Talk about your unlimited power.
Friends of mine got intimidating visits for simply being there. Never got close to fence.
We are coming out of a dark period of throwing the book at GREAT Grandma in this case. Lets not forget GREAT Grandpa. He is still being spied on as well.
Posted on 3/18/25 at 3:31 pm to SlowFlowPro
I'm going to respond to both your points, but through mainly focusing on this.
I agree, but this brings us to the point of defining a "foreign nation or government". What is our government's definition of a "foreign nation or government" and how is a transnational organization like TdA different from that definition?
Don't get me wrong, I think it's a very slippery slope in designating groups as foreign nations or governments, but this scenario pretty much demands either a fundamental and concrete difference be named or the concession that, at least, there is some grey area which can include an organization like TdA.
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Always theoretically possible, but that would be quite a Stretch Armstrong exercise.
I agree, but this brings us to the point of defining a "foreign nation or government". What is our government's definition of a "foreign nation or government" and how is a transnational organization like TdA different from that definition?
Don't get me wrong, I think it's a very slippery slope in designating groups as foreign nations or governments, but this scenario pretty much demands either a fundamental and concrete difference be named or the concession that, at least, there is some grey area which can include an organization like TdA.
Posted on 3/18/25 at 3:34 pm to Redbone
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alk about your unlimited power.
Friends of mine got intimidating visits for simply being there. Never got close to fence.
We are coming out of a dark period of throwing the book at GREAT Grandma in this case. Lets not forget GREAT Grandpa. He is still being spied on as well.
Right and TTBoy was a ringleader here cheering on the DOJ going after Jan 06ers.
Posted on 3/18/25 at 3:36 pm to SlowFlowPro
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So the President can just declare any behavior by any person (including citizens) to fall under that portion of the law
all natives, citizens, denizens, or subjects of the hostile nation or government, being of the age of fourteen years and upward, who shall be within the United States and not actually naturalized, shall be liable to be apprehended, restrained, secured, and removed as alien enemies.
Posted on 3/18/25 at 3:43 pm to Bard
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I think it's a very slippery slope in designating groups as foreign nations or governments,
What is the difference between Tren de Aragua and ISIS, or the Houthis, or Al Queda or Hamas or Hezbollah?
The concept that only nations and governments can be enemy invaders is very outdated and irrelevant to the current global reality.
Trump has declared them as a terrorist group, along with other cartels and gangs. I don't believe this label can be challenged by the court, as it is a subjective declaration within the national security powers.
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