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re: Why is this board pro-Russia and Putin all of a sudden?
Posted on 2/26/25 at 2:05 pm to troyt37
Posted on 2/26/25 at 2:05 pm to troyt37
This is a uniformed what-if because you're ignoring that the Russia force-billy annexed and brutalized these bloc states that wanted to escape Russia influence and join NATO / EU.
Aligning with Russia couldnt offer these former countries better prosperity so they choose the West. Mexico would never do that.
just a ignorant lack of geopolitical knowledge
Aligning with Russia couldnt offer these former countries better prosperity so they choose the West. Mexico would never do that.
just a ignorant lack of geopolitical knowledge
This post was edited on 2/26/25 at 2:06 pm
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Posted on 2/26/25 at 2:05 pm to back9Tiger
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I'd like them both to lose. Zelensky is a dictator and a thief. Putin is a murderer and a thug.... it's ok to hate both of them
This.
Posted on 2/26/25 at 2:06 pm to BugAC
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Is nomenclature really the issue you have here?
No, it’s the difference in implication.
Nations joining a defense alliance is not an aggressive action. An international entity “acquiring territory” is.
Posted on 2/26/25 at 2:06 pm to 904
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But why does that all-of-a-sudden give Russia the right to invade their neighbor?
Has nothing to do with "right".
We, the USA threatened invasion of CUBA if the USSR put missiles there. Noway we would allow China or Russia of Iran to dig it's heels in Mexico.
Why would you think that Putin would be ok with that?
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I don't see a scenario where NATO ever invades a hypothetically docile Russia for no reason.
It's not about what you see. It was what Putin saw. Of note, Putin did not try this when Trump was in office. Why? Because Trump wasn't pushing for what Obama did and Biden did.
You main issue is that you are ignorant in forming your OP. "Why is this board pro-Russia and Putin".
It was just a dumb comment made out of ignorance.
NOW for a question of you! WHY do you support Kim Jong Un?
Posted on 2/26/25 at 2:06 pm to 904
Don’t know about the board.
I’m anti Putin and anti Russia first.
I’m equally anti Ukraine.
I’m at least equally anti EU
I’m further exponentially more pro US and for an independent nuetral stance on matters that are not in our immediate direct interest and need. Meaning, if a situation arises that has a direct and obvious negative effect on us, and if we cannot handle the situation in such a way domestically to mitigate the risks presented from said situation, then and only then do I favor direct or indirect us involvement in foreign affairs
I’m anti Putin and anti Russia first.
I’m equally anti Ukraine.
I’m at least equally anti EU
I’m further exponentially more pro US and for an independent nuetral stance on matters that are not in our immediate direct interest and need. Meaning, if a situation arises that has a direct and obvious negative effect on us, and if we cannot handle the situation in such a way domestically to mitigate the risks presented from said situation, then and only then do I favor direct or indirect us involvement in foreign affairs
Posted on 2/26/25 at 2:07 pm to Havoc
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This
Seems to me this is going to happen.
Posted on 2/26/25 at 2:07 pm to dnm3305
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I honestly support Putin because he is a better person than the democrats in this country.
Putin orders people murdered. Lots of them.
https://www.newsweek.com/putin-critics-dead-full-list-navalny-1870692
Posted on 2/26/25 at 2:08 pm to Indefatigable
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Well you keep talking about NATO acquiring things so it leads me to believe you have no idea how NATO works.
I don't really care about what you believe.
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This only cements my belief. I assume you’re one of the people who thinks NATO defense funding is from some common pot that countries pay into.
By the way, these nations that NATO has “acquired” since the fall of the Soviet Union are generally the NATO members that actually meet their defense spending pledges.
France, Germany, Italy, Spain, Belgium, the Netherlands, etc are the real freeloaders in NATO. Not the Baltic states, Poland, or the former Warsaw Pact countries.
Cool. None of that matters to Russia. Again, you are looking at this from the American/World Order perspective. Look at it from the Russian perspective. In the 90's there was a general agreement of no additional expansion of NATO in Russian bordering countries. However, that is exactly what happened.
NATO "acquired" or "gained" or whatever silly fricking word makes you people feel better, more countries. Thus, NATO influence expanded to the East.
As has been mentioned several times already, if the same thing happened in America, and China, Iran, or whoever made similar actions, would America just say "oh well" and throw it's hands up? No.
And that is the point. That is Russia's "beef" with NATO. Obama and Biden being soft as baby shite just encouraged them to take over vital economic areas of Ukraine if the eventuality of Ukraine, a former Russian/Soviet state, aligned with NATO.
Posted on 2/26/25 at 2:08 pm to 904
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904
OUCH.. see, you just exposed who you really are.....
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I'd imagine that he prefers the administration that's stopped funding the military efforts of the country he's decided to invade, which is also the same administration that he tried to assist to get into office in our last election.
Why do you support marxism?
Posted on 2/26/25 at 2:09 pm to BugAC
quote:NO, It's not! What the hell is wrong with you?
Other nations joining nato is an acquisition of nations
Do you not know what the word "acquisition" means??
Posted on 2/26/25 at 2:11 pm to 904
quote:It's been all along, not all of a sudden. Probably the most puzzling issue on this board. I really think it has more to do with Biden hate than anything actually going on there.
all of a sudden
Posted on 2/26/25 at 2:11 pm to BugAC
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None of that matters to Russia.
If you believe that Putin’s public statements represent Russia’s true motivation, then sure. But you’d have to be an enormous moron to do that.
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And that is the point. That is Russia's "beef" with NATO.
We know. They want to continue to exploit and subjugate the peoples/land to their west as they had for the last several centuries.
Russia’s feeling of isolation in central and eastern Europe is squarely Russia’s doing.
This post was edited on 2/26/25 at 2:14 pm
Posted on 2/26/25 at 2:14 pm to Tantal
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Putin ball-garglers in here is a little strange.
Nobody likes Putin. But, we're all realizing that the government has been lying and steeling from us for years. Now we question everything they say. Why are we supposed to hate Putin and take the CIA's word for it?
We know Ukraine is a huge money laundering shithole for the WEF globalists. And we know Putin is fighting the DEI Globalists, so maybe we should be on his side in this battle of good versus evil? At least I'm not taking your word for it that we shouldn't be. I'll determine that on my own.
Posted on 2/26/25 at 2:15 pm to 904
Troll post.
Ummmm
Whites
Catholic(christians)
Nough said
Ummmm
Whites
Catholic(christians)
Nough said
This post was edited on 2/26/25 at 2:20 pm
Posted on 2/26/25 at 2:15 pm to BugAC
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Trump brokered a peace to stop the war and the expansion. How does less territory benefit Russia? Again, you're a fool.
Russia thought they would be able to conquer all of Ukraine, and quickly. Obviously that did not happen.
Ukraine wants to keep fighting for the territory that Russia was able to gain, even though the borders haven't moved for some time now.
Russia would gladly take the peace deals they are being offered so they can regroup with the current borders and try to take the rest of Ukraine a few years from now, ignoring any promises they inevitably make along the way, just like they ignored the promises from the last Ukraine treaty.
Peace needs to happen, just not on Russia's terms.
This post was edited on 2/26/25 at 2:16 pm
Posted on 2/26/25 at 2:15 pm to 1BIGTigerFan
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We know Ukraine is a huge money laundering shithole for the WEF globalists. And we know Putin is fighting the DEI Globalists, so maybe we should be on his side in this battle of good versus evil?
Trying to force this conflict into a the framework of American internet political theories is just about the dumbest thing imaginable.
Posted on 2/26/25 at 2:17 pm to Indefatigable
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Why wouldn’t we? Absent aggressive actions, what Mexico does in Mexico is Mexico’s prerogative.
So then, you'd be fine with MS 13 owning the house next to yours, absent any aggressive actions of course, right? Really, having a room in your house full of venomous snakes is fine too, absent aggressive actions, right?
Posted on 2/26/25 at 2:18 pm to troyt37
quote:Instead of a hypothetical, why not just use the actual example of Cuba, which is better suited for your argument than Mexico, anyways, since Mexico is a formal ally that hasn't feared invasion by the US in 100 years, and a sudden alliance with Iran, and a buildup of their troops in Mexico would be so alarmingly bizarre and unexpected, that any analogy between our potential response, and Russia/Ukraine is shallow to the point of dismissal?
Hypothetical, shall we?
What if Mexico announced that it had a deal with Iran to provide for their defense? Iran will be moving troops and equipment into Mexico, to include tanks, helicopters, fighter jets and other airplanes, with the possibility of nuclear weapons in the near future. Should we let the sovereign nation of Mexico control their foreign policy, or no?
Posted on 2/26/25 at 2:20 pm to troyt37
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So then, you'd be fine with MS 13 owning the house next to yours, absent any aggressive actions of course, right? Really, having a room in your house full of venomous snakes is fine too, absent aggressive actions, right?
No, but that’s also a terrible analogy that oversimplifies international relations and isn’t a serious contribution to the discussion.
Posted on 2/26/25 at 2:20 pm to Indefatigable
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Trying to force this conflict into a the framework of American internet political theories is just about the dumbest thing imaginable.
Sort of like determining who is "good/bad" based solely off of one sides rhetoric.
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