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re: Why is Schultz running as an independent a big deal?
Posted on 1/28/19 at 9:05 am to shoelessjoe
Posted on 1/28/19 at 9:05 am to shoelessjoe
Us Trump voters need to feign support for him to keep him encouraged to run independent and once the general election comes we can vote Trump, let some of the Dem voters vote for Schultz and watch Trump cruise to reelection.
Posted on 1/28/19 at 9:05 am to NC_Tigah
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Schultz will hurt dems
True, but he'll hurt Republicans worse. He was actually talking FISCAL RESPONSIBILITY on the 60 minutes interview last night, condemning to 21 trillion operating deficit as well as describing how popular Democratic incentives will bankrupt the country.
In effect, he talks like a fiscal hawk, and that appeals to many republicans.
Posted on 1/28/19 at 9:07 am to shoelessjoe
quote:Because he's a left wing liberal. So if he runs as an independent, do you think he's going to be siphoning off votes from Trump or whoever the Dem nominee ends up being? The Dems are going to have to do everything they can to get Romney to run as an independent to siphon votes from Trump to counter.
Why is Schultz running as an independent a big deal?
Posted on 1/28/19 at 9:11 am to tarzana
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True, but he'll hurt Republicans worse. He was actually talking FISCAL RESPONSIBILITY on the 60 minutes interview last night, condemning to 21 trillion operating deficit as well as describing how popular Democratic incentives will bankrupt the country.
In effect, he talks like a fiscal hawk, and that appeals to many republicans.
The vast majority on the right is not going to be able to stomach his intersectionality and white guilt. He's going to pull a lot of democrats.
Posted on 1/28/19 at 9:12 am to lsutiger90
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He would be the Dem's H. Ross Perot
This.
Posted on 1/28/19 at 9:27 am to NC_Tigah
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Ross Perot got Clinton elected in 1992
truth
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Ralph Nader got W elected in 2000.
not sure this mattered much
quote:
Schultz will hurt dems.
fo shizzle
Posted on 1/28/19 at 9:29 am to shoelessjoe
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I keep hearing it’s a big deal but don’t understand why. Is it because it will take votes from one side or other? Or is it taking votes from both sides? Who does this benefit?
/\ most vacuous post ever /\
Posted on 1/28/19 at 9:30 am to Captain Ron
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Basically, he will do to the Democrats what Perot did to Bush in 1992.
ABSOLUTELY - which is why I am DOUBLY excited for him to enter the fray.
Posted on 1/28/19 at 9:33 am to tarzana
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True, but he'll hurt Republicans worse. He was actually talking FISCAL RESPONSIBILITY on the 60 minutes interview last night, condemning to 21 trillion operating deficit as well as describing how popular Democratic incentives will bankrupt the country.
In effect, he talks like a fiscal hawk, and that appeals to many republicans.
Question is how does he plan on fixing our debt problem. How does he plan on implementing his version of fiscal responsibility? Does he just want to raise taxes? Or does he plan on cutting the size of the Fed Government?
Schultz probably just wants to raise taxes which will garner him zero conservative votes.
Posted on 1/28/19 at 9:38 am to Jake88
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When you think Starbucks, what do you think of?
quote:Just to be clear, he means
Zach
And not
Posted on 1/28/19 at 9:49 am to YankeeBama
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Never Trump moderates
There are a sum total of about 7 Never Trump “moderates” that exist outside of the world of political punditry, and elected officials. NeverTrumpers live in an uptight bubble.
These are the most delusional of all political persons. In the fantasy land that they inspire anyone or have any sort of base of support outside of their own egos.
Schultz is the Democrat’s version of a NeverTrumper. I guess he’s a NeverBerner.
This kind of shite creates a terrible PR problem, but absolutely no base of actual support aside from the people they see at cocktail parties. It’s sort of like a Ross Perot but at least Ross Perot inspired genuine support.
These milquetoast “moderates” who have no true identify are the boogie men that keep other talking heads theoretically on the same “side” up at night. However, when it comes right down to it, the fear is all in their heads.
IOW - Leftists on TV can usually count on the support of other leftists like Schultz. Now that he’s decided to take on this vanity project of running for POTUS it’s freaking out leftists, but nobody who actually votes GAF.
Posted on 1/28/19 at 10:03 am to frogtown
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Does he just want to raise taxes
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does he plan on cutting the size of the Fed Government
From the Scott Pelley 60 minutes interview, I got the view he favors both.
This post was edited on 1/28/19 at 10:05 am
Posted on 1/28/19 at 10:08 am to Wednesday
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milquetoast "moderates" who have no true identity
Are you talking about the Radical Middle?
Posted on 1/28/19 at 10:14 am to shoelessjoe
He would take Dem votes. They’re going to have to pay him not to run.
Posted on 1/28/19 at 10:25 am to shoelessjoe
Bill Clinton won his presidency because Ross Perot siphoned off enough votes for Bush to lose.
I saw some liberals dancing with glee when the announcement came out because they figured the same will happen with Trump. I guess they assumed because the guy was the head of Starbucks, he was a big business Republican.
He is not. He endorsed Hillary. This could potentially crush the next Democrat. Many states the margin was small. Nader caused a serious problem for Democrats and now Schultz could do the same.
If his whole platform is nothing more than cutting spending, he could pull people from both sides. Him running will make polling even more of a shitfest.
I saw some liberals dancing with glee when the announcement came out because they figured the same will happen with Trump. I guess they assumed because the guy was the head of Starbucks, he was a big business Republican.
He is not. He endorsed Hillary. This could potentially crush the next Democrat. Many states the margin was small. Nader caused a serious problem for Democrats and now Schultz could do the same.
If his whole platform is nothing more than cutting spending, he could pull people from both sides. Him running will make polling even more of a shitfest.
Posted on 1/28/19 at 10:27 am to jb4
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Technically the ballot design in palm beach county got W elected in 2000. ... Don’t see how anybody can doubt gore won the intended vote in Florida but old people fricked up the ballot
Technically, this is complete revisionist bullshite.
The DNC/MSM Political Complex only chose to “recount” and include the likes of “pregnant chads” to divine voter intention in extremely high democratic counties. This increased democratic votes. If ALL FLORIDA COUNTIES including GOP ones had churned out new votes, W would have still won Floridah!
Even after SCOTUS halted the recount, the DNC/MSM Political Complex continued counting, and W won!
So, who really won? What the Bush v. Gore studies showed
By Wade Payson-Denney, CNN
Updated 10:06 AM ET, Sat October 31, 2015
The first major review
The players: A group of newspapers including the USA Today, Miami Herald, and Knight Ridder newspapers conducted the first major review of the Florida ballots.
How it worked: The group hired the accounting firm BDO Seidman to examine more than 60,000 "undervotes" -- ballots that did not register a vote in the presidential race -- from all 67 Florida counties. These were ballots the Florida Supreme Court ordered to be hand counted with its December 8, 2000, decision.
The newspapers applied BDO Seidman's findings to four vote-counting standards. This was published in April 2001.
The results: The study shows that Bush likely would have won the statewide recount of undervotes even if the U.S. Supreme Court had not intervened to stop the counting. It also reveals that, ironically, the most lenient standard of vote counting —advocated by Gore — gives Bush his biggest lead.
The Florida Ballots Project
The players: A national media consortium -- composed of CNN, The New York Times, The Wall Street Journal, The Tribune Company, The Washington Post, The Associated Press, The St. Petersburg Times, and The Palm Beach Post -- paid for the National Opinion Research Center, or NORC, at the University of Chicago to review 175,010 disputed Florida ballots -- 61,190 undervotes and 113,820 overvotes. The results: ... Bush likely would have won the hand recount of undervotes ordered by the Florida Supreme Court, although by a smaller margin than the certified 537 vote difference.
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but old people fricked up the ballot
From same article:
A larger review gives mixed results
The players: Roughly a month later, a larger consortium that included the above outlets plus a group of five Florida newspapers released its review of more than 171,000 disputed ballots. In addition to the undervotes, this study reviewed more than 111,000 overvotes -- ballots that included multiple votes for president and were thus not counted.
This study showed that Democratic voters were far more likely to make the mistake of casting an overvote than Republican voters. Gore was marked on 84,197 of the overvote ballots, compared to 37,731 for Bush. USA Today's headline at the time read, "Florida voter errors cost Gore the election."
Therefore it wasn’t the age of the voter that mattered, but the dumb in the Democrats!
Even Gore and the Democratic Florida Supreme Court were too dumb totry to get these votes counted!
This post was edited on 1/28/19 at 10:38 am
Posted on 1/28/19 at 10:54 am to shoelessjoe
Relax. He is not going to be on the ballot. He just likes reading about himself in the newspapers.
Posted on 1/28/19 at 11:08 am to Zach
He can't win. Coffee taste like PISS
Posted on 1/28/19 at 11:27 am to More&Les
quote:W defeated Al Gore by a 537 vote margin in FL. Nader received 97,421 votes in Floridaquote:not sure this mattered much
Ralph Nader got W elected in 2000.
Posted on 1/28/19 at 11:28 am to Zach
quote:I hope you're wrong.
Relax. He is not going to be on the ballot.
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