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re: Why I think Trump is in this until regime change
Posted on 4/2/26 at 7:54 pm to Penrod
Posted on 4/2/26 at 7:54 pm to Penrod
Of course there will be regime change. The ignorance of people, unwilling to accept the sacrifices needed to end this incubator of terrorism known as IRAN.
Thank God, we have a leader who will do what is necessary and quickly!
IT WILL BE GLORIOUS!!
Thank God, we have a leader who will do what is necessary and quickly!
IT WILL BE GLORIOUS!!
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Posted on 4/2/26 at 8:06 pm to NC_Tigah
quote:Not worst case scenarios. Caine emphasized limited, achievable military objectives + risks of escalation and regional war & avoided endorsing any plan to overthrow the Iranian government.
Your sources at MSNOW get wind of Caine's worst case scenarios, and incorrectly paint those as Caine opposing the war.
That’s how military leaders normally communicate skepticism. They don’t just come out and say “this objective will fail”.
We do know that the goal was originally regime change because of the communication between Netanyahu and Trump prior to the last round of negotiations, where Netanyahu had intel on a large IRGC meeting that he successfully sold as an opportune time for a decapitation strike that could collapse the regime quickly without the US having to put boots on the ground.
Posted on 4/2/26 at 8:17 pm to Penrod
quote:This plan worked out so well in Iraq.
We don’t have to root out all of the IRGC. All we have to do is land a few forces, grab control of the cities, let a pre-arranged “new regime” take control, then retreat to the nearby countryside ready to suppress any appearances of the IRGC in strength. The new regime, allied with the army, can handle the IRGC as long as they are not allowed to mass.
Posted on 4/2/26 at 9:22 pm to Timeoday
Rheza Pahlavi(?) has disappeared from the news. I was wondering if that means anything. Either he has given up on an uprising, I don't think so. Or he is helping organize one.
Posted on 4/2/26 at 9:44 pm to geoag58
I thought the Iranian people wanted regime.change. I thought they were protesting and got slaughtered for it. I thought Iran was much different prior to this regime. Very friendly to the US and Israel.
Posted on 4/3/26 at 1:36 am to Taxing Authority
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This plan worked out so well in Iraq.
It was never tried. It actually would have worked, but in Iraq we had a different objective. We were trying to build a democracy. No one is proposing anything like that in Iran.
After capturing Saddam, if Bush had declared victory and gone home, leaving a hard Iraqi general in charge to run the country as Saddam had, but friendly to the US, it would have succeeded. It was the neocon nation building that turned it into a quagmire.
Posted on 4/3/26 at 2:07 am to Penrod
There are only two ways regime change will occur:
1. Massive ground-scale invasion with at least 500,000 to 1,000,000 troops. The likelihood of this happening is slim to none due to the fact that our side would have massive casualties.
3. Drop multiple B83s throughout mainland Iran so that all parts of the country will be hit. Likelihood of the IRGC being completely wiped out would be very high. Civilian death toll would be in the millions and a humanitarian crisis would occur. We would get sanctioned by numerous countries and our economy would take a hit.
The GCC countries will do everything they can to keep us in the war so that they don’t have to deal with Iran.
1. Massive ground-scale invasion with at least 500,000 to 1,000,000 troops. The likelihood of this happening is slim to none due to the fact that our side would have massive casualties.
3. Drop multiple B83s throughout mainland Iran so that all parts of the country will be hit. Likelihood of the IRGC being completely wiped out would be very high. Civilian death toll would be in the millions and a humanitarian crisis would occur. We would get sanctioned by numerous countries and our economy would take a hit.
The GCC countries will do everything they can to keep us in the war so that they don’t have to deal with Iran.
Posted on 4/3/26 at 3:07 am to JasonDBlaha
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There are only two ways regime change will occur:
This is where we disagree. The population is against the regime. All regimes’ control of their populations are fragile. We have destroyed so much of the regimes weapons and command and control that if we went in with small forces, in a bunch of locations, and suppressed any massing of regime forces from the air, we would control the ground.
Then we could arm the people, remove our forces from the cities to open countryside, support the people - which would include the army - from the air, and watch them hunt the regime. I think we could do this with about 10,000 men on the ground. With this force, and leveraging the Iranian army and irregulars, we could take Teheran and about the next four largest cities. The others would fall to popular uprisings when their IRGC disappeared.
Posted on 4/3/26 at 3:32 am to Solo Cam
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You think we're going to have full and total control of 90+ million radical Islamic hostiles in 10-20 days?
This statement shows you do not know what you are talking about. And the number of upvotes shows that you are not alone.
You appear to be under the assumption that there are 90 million people we will need to fight or suppress. In reality the number you posted is basically much closer to the number of civilian in Iran that want to fight the IRGC and topple this regime. You have it backwards.
US forces are not going to invade and take Iran. The Iranian people are going to do that, with a little bit of help once the air campaign is over.
Posted on 4/3/26 at 5:34 am to omegaman66
quote:So the 2024 Gallup poll showing that 43% of the population in Iran is happy with the current leadership is wrong? What about the one in 2013 that showed over 80% of the population wants sharia law in Iran?
This statement shows you do not know what you are talking about. And the number of upvotes shows that you are not alone.
How many Iranians do you know?
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You appear to be under the assumption that there are 90 million people we will need to fight or suppress. In reality the number you posted is basically much closer to the number of civilian in Iran that want to fight the IRGC and topple this regime. You have it backwards.
You think majority of the 90+ million civilians in Iran are going to take up arms and fight for western values?
Where are you getting any of this information from?
quote:Yeah I'm sure we're spending billions of dollars to send fifty thousand service men there for no reason at all in the past few weeks.
US forces are not going to invade and take Iran. The Iranian people are going to do that, with a little bit of help once the air campaign is over.
Why would Hegseth be requesting 200 billion dollars for the Iran conflict?
I hate people like you more than anything in this world. You're so confidently ignorant about a populous and war that you have zero clue about and have no intention of fighting in. Yet you criticizes, in such a pompous manner, those of us who are vehemently opposing a regime change war in the Middle East.
You should just be aware of how absolutely ignorant you are on the subject before you criticizes anyone else betaman69
Posted on 4/3/26 at 5:42 am to Solo Cam
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We can spend billions blowing up people in a country on the other side of the world but it takes a fricking teenager with a cellphone to uncover fraud in our own backyard....
I mean, you have a good point.
Posted on 4/3/26 at 6:00 am to Solo Cam
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but I don't think you have a clue about Iran
And you obviously have zero clue. Iran has a rich history and was an extremely progressive and cosmopolitan society prior to the fall of the shah.
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This will work just as good as it did in Afghanistan and Iraq
Afghanistan was a clusterfrick (thanks Biden) but Iraq has actually stabilized and is doing quite well. Although I am not a fan of nation building.
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Doesn't like 83% of Iranians support sharia law?
Think the fact that you are executed in the street for having an opinion of dissent might have anything to do with that?
This post was edited on 4/3/26 at 6:01 am
Posted on 4/3/26 at 6:20 am to Solo Cam
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How many Iranians do you know?
A shitload. And EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM wants to see this regime in Iran fall, as do their families still living under their oppression.
How many do you know?
Posted on 4/3/26 at 6:30 am to Penrod
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I think we could do this with about 10,000 men on the ground.
Where did that number come from?
Posted on 4/3/26 at 6:34 am to Penrod
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By the end of April we will invade, and it will only take two or three weeks to have substantial control of the country and for the invasion to turn into a few dozen manhunts.
It took less than six weeks for Bush to stand in front of a huge Mission Accomplished banner, stating "because the regime [of Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein ] is no more"
His sons were dead within a month, he was captured from hiding a couple months later.
We'd spend 8 more years there.
Posted on 4/3/26 at 6:42 am to jonnyanony
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We'd spend 8 more years there.
THAT was the mistake. Leave after Saddam is captured and it would have been a big success. But that means being satisfied with a retrograde dictator who is friendly to us.
Posted on 4/3/26 at 7:23 am to Penrod
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But that means being satisfied with a retrograde dictator who is friendly to us.
And this is the only way public opinion goes back up.
I don't think Trump is in this for any long term. At least I hope not.
But if we leave in, say, June and there's no significant benefit other than we killed a few key targets ... is this really what we should focus on in this country?
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