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Why don’t we have public executions
Posted on 2/16/18 at 11:57 pm
Posted on 2/16/18 at 11:57 pm
If you want a deterrent effect of capital punishment the execution must be public. Yet the last public execution was in Owensboro Ky over a 100 years ago. Maybe this is something we can all agree on here. I have seen many executions. I still support capital punishment but it can be gruesome.
The state claims it has a right to privacy in executions. Even when the convicted criminal wants a public execution as part of his atonement it is denied. WQED case etc.
Trump can’t change this with an executive order tommorrow
The state claims it has a right to privacy in executions. Even when the convicted criminal wants a public execution as part of his atonement it is denied. WQED case etc.
Trump can’t change this with an executive order tommorrow
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Posted on 2/16/18 at 11:58 pm to TutHillTiger
Shame is a powerful and useful social tool.
It should be used more.
It should be used more.
Posted on 2/16/18 at 11:59 pm to TutHillTiger
Shitcago, NOLA, Detriot, etc have public executions every night
Posted on 2/16/18 at 11:59 pm to TutHillTiger
The problem with public executions is that some idiot will murder a metric shite-ton of school kids just for his 15 minutes of fame.
Posted on 2/17/18 at 12:01 am to TutHillTiger
We're soft
Posted on 2/17/18 at 12:04 am to TutHillTiger
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This post was edited on 1/10/21 at 6:04 pm
Posted on 2/17/18 at 12:07 am to the808bass
quote:Yeah until they shame the person who decides to blow up half a city and commands an undead behemoth to rape a female clergy member.
Shame is a powerful and useful social tool.
It should be used more
Posted on 2/17/18 at 12:12 am to TutHillTiger
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If you want a deterrent effect of capital punishment the execution must be public.
You're just extremely stupid if you think this is going to stop something. Seriously, let's say they bring the SC shooter out for a public hanging, and then he gets to shout his white supremacist bullshite and taunt the broken families and the people at large one last time on national television before he is finally hanged looking like a martyr.
What do you think a psychopath who has nothing to live for sitting at home is thinking? "Oh no, they may give me the second most popular suicide method if I go and kill the people I want to kill." No they're going to be thinking "frick this extension cord I bought to hang myself. Let me just kill all these children I hate like that guy did with those black people, and then I get tons of TV time, get to scream at the parents, and look like a fricking bad arse giving the finger to the man as I go out on a high note."
You know what these mass shooters worst nightmare is? Being shot before they can kill anyone, surviving, and then looking like a pussy who can't kill one person. You know what their dream is: kill as many people as possible, and then you give them a public execution, make them look like a martyr, and inspire 10 more people to go commit a massacre of their own.
Your idea is so bad, I'm willing to bet that every year you do this there will be a substantial increase in mass shootings every single year. The arming of teachers is at least a fair argument that we can have a conversation about. Yours is advertising stupid barbarism to stop suicidal psychopaths from committing even more barbarism.
This post was edited on 2/17/18 at 12:46 am
Posted on 2/17/18 at 12:24 am to TutHillTiger
Posted on 2/17/18 at 12:35 am to GoldenGuy
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The problem with public executions is that some idiot will murder a metric shite-ton of school kids just for his 15 minutes of fame.
"Hey I know how we stop this. You know that guy that is debating between hanging himself and killing school children? How about we threaten to hang him on national television watched by hundreds of millions of people if he kills those school children."
Posted on 2/17/18 at 12:39 am to TutHillTiger
This school shooter in FL is a unusual case, most of the mass killers kill themselves, or get in a stand off and are killed by the police.
Posted on 2/17/18 at 12:51 am to TutHillTiger
The gallows are still up outside the old courthouse in Tombstone, Arizona. You can always go there and pretend.
Posted on 2/17/18 at 1:11 am to TutHillTiger
I don't know how I feel about executing obviously crazy people like this. Dude is a product of our fricked up society more than anything else. He is not a political assassin or a terrorist in an organized group with some sort of stated political goal. He is a lone nutjob. We should be more concerned about identifying others like him and stopping them before they act. Keeping him alive is actually more beneficial in that case.
Now, ISIS or other rational actors who have a stated goal, I am fine with hanging them high on TV (as long as they have no intelligence to give us on others). They aren't crazy, they just hate us.
Now, ISIS or other rational actors who have a stated goal, I am fine with hanging them high on TV (as long as they have no intelligence to give us on others). They aren't crazy, they just hate us.
Posted on 2/17/18 at 1:17 am to TutHillTiger
All murderers should be hung in public imo
Posted on 2/17/18 at 1:27 am to TutHillTiger
Creating martyrs has always been a great idea.
Posted on 2/17/18 at 1:49 am to 0
I'm going to link this piece published by the National Review yesterday and some quotes: Don't Name Mass Shooters
But instead lets throw a state fair for them, broadcast them all over TV, and give them a pretty conventional death that they probably won't mind and likely actively contemplated to give them a blaze of glory. It's such a bad idea, I think it could accelerate this into a death cult if we did as the OP is proposing. He is proposing actively turning these people into martyrs. Shame on anyone who upvoted the OPs suggestion.
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But then there is this insight: Mass killings, like viruses, seem to be contagious. It isn’t news that behaviors are catching. Sociologists have long known that suicide, for example, prompts imitators, especially among the young. Researchers at Arizona State University have studied mass murders (particularly school shootings) and found that each new episode does inspire copy cats.
We also know that some of the mass shooters have expressed fascination with their predecessors. The Oregon shooter, for example, had written of another: “A man who was known by no one, is now known by everyone. . . . Seems the more people you kill, the more you’re in the limelight.”
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he second Fort Hood shooter, weirdly enough, seemed to decry the attention paid to killers. He posted on Facebook: “These bastards have perfected their way of attacking by studying previous massacres to gain publicity and their minute of fame as a villain.” He then went on to commit a mass shooting himself. An Everett, Wash., man was arrested on Wednesday after his grandparents reported to police that he was “learning from past shooters.”
The sick desire for fame — even when purchased through atrocity — seems to be at work in many of these cases. Would denying them the attention they seek diminish the attraction?
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Of the 69 mass shootings since Columbine High School, four were committed by Islamic extremists, and others (the Sikh temple, Charleston) by racists. But the overwhelming majority were the work of men whose motivations probably include a lust for fame.
But instead lets throw a state fair for them, broadcast them all over TV, and give them a pretty conventional death that they probably won't mind and likely actively contemplated to give them a blaze of glory. It's such a bad idea, I think it could accelerate this into a death cult if we did as the OP is proposing. He is proposing actively turning these people into martyrs. Shame on anyone who upvoted the OPs suggestion.
This post was edited on 2/17/18 at 12:05 pm
Posted on 2/17/18 at 6:24 am to GoldenGuy
quote:
The problem with public executions is that some idiot will murder a metric shite-ton of school kids just for his 15 minutes of fame.
The media should stop posting their pictures, revealing their name, and publishing any manifestos.
Posted on 2/17/18 at 6:30 am to OMLandshark
quote:
Seriously, let's say they bring the SC shooter out for a public hanging, and then he gets to shout his white supremacist bullshite and taunt the broken families and the people at large one last time on national television before he is finally hanged looking like a martyr.
What do you think a psychopath who has nothing to live for sitting at home is thinking? "Oh no, they may give me the second most popular suicide method if I go and kill the people I want to kill." No they're going to be thinking "frick this extension cord I bought to hang myself. Let me just kill all these children I hate like that guy did with those black people, and then I get tons of TV time, get to scream at the parents, and look like a fricking bad arse giving the finger to the man as I go out on a high note."
So we cut out their tongue beforehand. Easy peasy. At the very least, we gag them. Cover their faces, and don't publish their names. All of what you said is easily avoidable. If they are just craving attention, then going out as a nameless, faceless loser will not be in their best interest.
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I'm willing to bet that every year you do this there will be a substantial increase in mass shootings every single year.
Not if done properly.
Posted on 2/17/18 at 6:39 am to OMLandshark
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You know that guy that is debating between hanging himself and killing school children?
I have serious doubts that this thought actually goes through the mind of mass murderers. I would venture that most of them kill themselves to avoid taking responsibility for their actions. People that just want to kill themselves are not thinking about taking out other people first.
Posted on 2/17/18 at 6:45 am to TutHillTiger
Your logic is correct. But I doubt your suggestion will ever come to pass.
I think there is the general realization that capital punishment is wrong and shameful for a state to carry out and if executions were public there would be more political pressure to ban the practice.
The effectiveness of capital punishment as a deterrence is in question. States with capital punishment tend to have more murders than states without. There have been cases where a murder was committed in a car near a state line a victim's body dumped on the death penalty side when by dumping the body in the neighboring non death penalty state the criminals could have avoided the possibility of capital punishment if caught.
The best actual deterrent of crime is a high likelihood of being caught. The punishment is secondary.
I think there is the general realization that capital punishment is wrong and shameful for a state to carry out and if executions were public there would be more political pressure to ban the practice.
The effectiveness of capital punishment as a deterrence is in question. States with capital punishment tend to have more murders than states without. There have been cases where a murder was committed in a car near a state line a victim's body dumped on the death penalty side when by dumping the body in the neighboring non death penalty state the criminals could have avoided the possibility of capital punishment if caught.
The best actual deterrent of crime is a high likelihood of being caught. The punishment is secondary.
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