re: Why do people become alarmed by shite that doesn't actually affect them or anyone else?

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And let's stop trying to live in La-La Land where if the Republican president simply acts with grace in the face of his political opponents that this country will come together or the rhetoric from his opponents will be tempered by his magnanimity.

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This. See: Bush 43

The left wants a fricking punching bag that they can mollywhop without fear of any sort of repudiation.

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it is the totality of Trump's "us vs them" rhetoric

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You mean the left/right divide? You mean the same rhetoric that has been oozing from the left long before Trump entered stage?

Newsflash, the American political climate IS an us vs them and Trump is a PRODUCT of this not the cause.

The left spits nasty, demonizing rhetoric about conservatives all the time with little to no criticism from the press, but no, it's suddenly Trump dividing America with his harsh words in RESPONSE to those attacking him.

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You are the one that deflected.

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Nope. No where did I defend Trump. And causal order is important here.

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Here is the thing, only one side can have the moral highground

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Simply untrue. Had democrats foisted Bill Clinton they'd earned common moral high ground with republicans. They did not do so. Instead they told us "it's ok to lie if it's about sex", "ccharachter doesn't matter", "the president isn't an example for children".

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Here is the thing, only one side can have the moral highground and trump's actions and the blithering defense of them by the right puts the right at a loss.

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You think it would have been any different if democrats had taken the "high moral ground" against Bill Clinton?

Again... the expectation of one side to uphold the moral high ground... long after the other side abandoned it with aplomb is not reasonable.

IWhy is it republicans job to reestablsh the moral high going demorera surrendered long ago?

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They don't have to be the "moral" leader but they at least need to be role model for children.

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what if they inhaled? Again... the sudden expectation of morality is telling.

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I am up for the gov't have no role in morality,

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Are you?

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they at least need to be role model for children

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Social conservatives whole schtick is about morality.

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You're all over the place. do you expect high morality or not?

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well it is certainly distracting from his failure. the thing is that obamacare repeal isn't going away. It will come back. Same with Russians.

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It appears you don't understand how the news cycle works.

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Sure you did. Whataboutism is a defense.

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I spell it out for you explicity... I don't like Trump, nor his tweets. But the faux sanctimony from the left is silly.

And the idea that it's up to republicans to fix what the left has spent decades establishing is even sillier.

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I am 100% against gov't legislating morality. And I am 100% for our leaders acting as role models for our children. The two really have nothing to do with each other.

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Then you shouldn't be voting for anyone. Ever.

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And it is not working for trump in this case.

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Anyone talking about healthcare this morning?

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So rhetoric alone can decrease illegal immigration, but this particular comment is just a dumb comment that means nothing?

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Rhetoric combined with the power of the president to potentially enact law against illegal immigration can decrease illegal immigration. It's not the rhetoric alone that does it.

Retarded insults thrown at reporters who take every opportunity to insult the president is just that... retarded.

I find it very easy to separate the two scenarios.

Partisan bullshite, that's why. At heart, most people are ignorant, negative sheep predisposed to tribalism

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Why? Obama was(is) a fluffer for cultural Marxism and anti capitalism. "I think there is a point were you've made enough money", etc. Did you find that concerning?

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No! Not nearly! Obama made a political statement. One I do not really like, but it was political. What Trump said was ignorant and mean. Like Uncle Buck telling the vice principal "to take a quarter and get a rat to gnaw that thing off your face!"

Except this morning Joe woman wasn't being mean she was being critical, and Trump probably sat back looking at that tweet like he was looking at a draft of the Gettysburg Address. He thought it was funny.

fricker would have worn a Glock hat to speak to Sandy Hook parents had he been president at time of the shooting.

His tweet cannot be defended. They cannot be spun. Unless his "scheme le' Grande" is to put democrats in power in another cycle or two, I don't know what the frick he is doing.

I cannot imagine the number of women who will come out to vote in 2020. At the rate he is going those women will vote for Pol Pot's ghost.

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get back to me when he starts using the government against his political opponents

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Why don't we apply the slippery slope argument that is the All-American (but mostly repub/con) favorite.

Today Trump is just going after the low-hanging fruit. But what he is doing is softening up the populace as a whole to his belligerence so that inch-by-inch he can move slowly but surely up to doing what you fear -- attacking his political opponents.

And just like you tried to minimize the significance of today's tweet, you will similarly minimize the significance of the inch-by-inch tweets, until when the attaching of political opponents comes, you (and many others like you) will be programmed to defend, and worse, to disregard, the gravity of Trump's tweets that cross the line.

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No! Not nearly! Obama made a political statement. One I do not really like, but it was political. What Trump said was ignorant and mean. Like Uncle Buck telling the vice principal "to take a quarter and get a rat to gnaw that thing off your face!"

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You see.

You just articulated exactly why I care more about the political statement.

The political statement might tend to affect me or my fellow Americans. The other one is mean words.

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I cannot imagine the number of women who will come out to vote in 2020. At the rate he is going those women will vote for Pol Pot's ghost.

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That's what the left said last fall.

Women aren't as pathetic as you would like them to be.

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Why don't we apply the slippery slope argument that is the All-American (but mostly repub/con) favorite.

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False, but OK. For the sake or your point.

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but surely up to doing what you fear -- attacking his political opponents.

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Attacking like using the IRS or attacking like saying even meaner things?

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And just like you tried to minimize the significance of today's tweet, you will similarly minimize the significance of the inch-by-inch tweets, until when the attaching of political opponents comes, you (and many others like you) will be programmed to defend, and worse, to disregard, the gravity of Trump's tweets that cross the line.

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Is that how it worked for you? I mean, I'm asking because I just spent 8 years watching the left defend Obama using the government to attack his political opponents.

I mean, ya know. I'm assuming you're warning me based upon your experience.

I'm on record saying I will NOT be OK with such things.

The left is on record as ACTUALLY HAVING BEEN OK with it.

What slope did you slip down?