- My Forums
- Tiger Rant
- LSU Recruiting
- SEC Rant
- Saints Talk
- Pelicans Talk
- More Sports Board
- Fantasy Sports
- Golf Board
- Soccer Board
- O-T Lounge
- Tech Board
- Home/Garden Board
- Outdoor Board
- Health/Fitness Board
- Movie/TV Board
- Book Board
- Music Board
- Political Talk
- Money Talk
- Fark Board
- Gaming Board
- Travel Board
- Food/Drink Board
- Ticket Exchange
- TD Help Board
Customize My Forums- View All Forums
- Show Left Links
- Topic Sort Options
- Trending Topics
- Recent Topics
- Active Topics
Started By
Message
0
Posted on 6/29/17 at 10:46 am to cahoots
quote:
Where do you draw the line between a comment that "affects no one" and words that actually count?
That seems like it should be fairly obvious. But, let's try examples.
"That lady over there is unattractive". - Doesn't imply a policy direction, doesn't have an impact on anyone's lives(to include hers). Etc.
"I think Al Sharpton's ideas are commendable and worth considering" - 100x more offensive. Actually could affect people.
Note. I used the above as EXAMPLES and they are not meant to imply a particular politician said them.
But, I figured you were asking for the line. I tried to illustrate.
Posted on 6/29/17 at 10:47 am to againtfraud
quote:
Firing Comey for investigating him...
You are also confused. Thats not what happened.
Posted on 6/29/17 at 10:48 am to cahoots
quote:Then you have exceedingly horrible criteria for figuring out if someone will be effective or not.
Well I consider the President's comment informative about the kind of leader that he is.
I realize that this is the kind of thing that's trained today. But, it has zero basis in actual historical examples of effective leaders.
quote:I agree. You just don't understand what that actually means.
They lead by example. This isn't a partisan thing.
Posted on 6/29/17 at 10:49 am to againtfraud
quote:
Firing Comey for investigating him was a bigger abuse of office than anything Obama ever did.
OK.
We may disagree on that, but THAT is something that could actually matter.
Not whether or not he thinks Comey is goofy looking.
quote:No. I said THESE words are no big deal.
But then, you've already made it pretty clear that while Obama's words matter, Trump's don't.
As are the case with some of Obama's.
Frankly. Most of the words people get appalled at aren't that big a deal and a lot of words people don't put much thought in to are very fricking alarming.
Posted on 6/29/17 at 10:51 am to ShortyRob
I hope he tweets even meaner stuff
Posted on 6/29/17 at 10:52 am to ShortyRob
Words are evidently not irrelevant to Trump. He's perhaps the biggest snowflake around.
Posted on 6/29/17 at 10:52 am to ShortyRob
quote:
I realize that this is the kind of thing that's trained today. But, it has zero basis in actual historical examples of effective leaders.
If a manager in my company made a comment like Trump, he/she would be fired in an instant. It's a really bad look for a leader. Not sure why you think offensive comments are irrelevant in the professional/political world.
Posted on 6/29/17 at 10:53 am to half cajun
quote:
You'd think Trump might have better things to do.
He was hired to do what he is doing.
Posted on 6/29/17 at 10:54 am to ShortyRob
quote:
I agree. You just don't understand what that actually means.
I think I do know what it means. Few people in positions of leadership say things like what Trump said on Twitter and get away with it. There's a reason for that.
This post was edited on 6/29/17 at 10:55 am
Posted on 6/29/17 at 10:57 am to TrueTiger
quote:Tweeting and not getting any legislation passed?
He was hired to do what he is doing.
He just lost more votes on healthcare
Posted on 6/29/17 at 10:58 am to TrueTiger
He wasnt hired to post bullshite on twitter. Well maybe he was by his base. But for many who voted for him, they were uncomfortable but recall he assured them he could be so presidential.
Posted on 6/29/17 at 10:58 am to ShortyRob
quote:
But, in the end, it's a comment that affects no one. No, it doesn't affect me because "he represents me" blah blah blah. It's just a dumb comment.
you aren't really wrong, the thing is.....
a) he sets an example for the country. He should be a role model for young and old. Do you want everyone talking like this?
b) This distracts from governing. we have enough problems in the country, we need to address those not insert new ones
Posted on 6/29/17 at 11:00 am to Hawkeye95
quote:
a) he sets an example for the country. He should be a role model for young and old. Do you want everyone talking like this?
No.
quote:
b) This distracts from governing. we have enough problems in the country, we need to address those not insert new ones
Correct. Which is why I've repeatedly said it was dumb to say.
But, frankly, if everyone around me talked like that, but valued liberty and talked about valuing liberty, I'd take THAT over being surrounded by 10,000 current Americans that have perfect filters.
Posted on 6/29/17 at 11:02 am to cahoots
quote:
I think I do know what it means. Few people in positions of leadership say things like what Trump said on Twitter and get away with it. There's a reason for that today
I had to add that word for you.
Because history is FILLED with VERY effective leaders that made Trump look like a paragon of virtue.
Today, we value "makes us feel good" over "effective" in leaders.
Now, frankly, I'd like to have BOTH in a leader.
But, the former is just kind of a nice to have really.
Lots of nice people are truly shitty leaders.
Posted on 6/29/17 at 11:05 am to Hawkeye95
quote:
a) he sets an example for the country. He should be a role model for young and old. Do you want everyone talking like this?
I mean seriously... he got a blowjob in his office from an intern. And he's worshiped by people denigrating Trump for a tweet.
quote:In case you haven't noticed... these tweets usually come really close to legislative boondoggles... like healthcare. You think that's an accident?
b) This distracts from governing
Posted on 6/29/17 at 11:05 am to ShortyRob
Trump doesn't have to be nice but he can show some respect for the office and title that he holds. He talks about a time when America was great. Well it start's at the top big guy.
Posted on 6/29/17 at 11:12 am to Taxing Authority
quote:
I mean seriously... he got a blowjob in his office from an intern. And he's worshiped by people denigrating Trump for a tweet.
And the right killed him for it, and they made a valid critique - if he gets a blowjob from an intern, does he have any scrupples? Can we trust him with leading our country?
There answer was no. It was lead by Newt, who now defends president thinskin.
It is pathetic. The right has lost the moral highground here. And you don't realize this, but it will cause problems when you run on morality.
quote:
In case you haven't noticed... these tweets usually come really close to legislative boondoggles... like healthcare. You think that's an accident?
There are two bills up for voting on today - kate's law and denying sanctuary $$ to cities. These votes will be tough in some swing districts, mainly in the west. Do you think this tweet helps?
Posted on 6/29/17 at 11:25 am to Hawkeye95
quote:Nice deflection. But I was speaking to the current critics of Trump.
And the right killed him for it, and they made a valid critique - if he gets a blowjob from an intern, does he have any scrupples? Can we trust him with leading our country?
There answer was no.
quote:The left lost it decades ago with Bill Clinton. AFter decades of parading a serial sexual harasser as a party hero, telling us "character doesn't matter" ... is not reasonable to expect "the right" to make up the difference now for that legacy of depravity.
It is pathetic. The right has lost the moral highground here.
If "the left" wants high moral standards from the Oval office... they should have called for it when they had the chance.
quote:Ummm... you seem to be the one suggesting teh POTUS is the moral leader of the country. And I can't recall Trump ever claiming he was the most moral candidate in the field.
And you don't realize this, but it will cause problems when you run on morality
I've never suggested that ANY politician should be our moral leader. Morality is for religion, philosophy, etc. Certainly not politics. Our government was never constituted to enforce a single person's morality. In fact, it was constructed to prevent it.
quote:And you've already forgot that healthcare flopped in the Senate... looks like it worked!
There are two bills up for voting on today - kate's law and denying sanctuary $$ to cities
This post was edited on 6/29/17 at 11:27 am
Posted on 6/29/17 at 11:30 am to Taxing Authority
quote:
Nice deflection. But I was speaking to the current critics of Trump.
You are the one that deflected.
And it doesn't help your argument at all. quote:
The left lost it decades ago with Bill Clinton. AFter decades of parading a serial sexual harasser as a party hero, telling us "character doesn't matter" ... is not reasonable to expect "the right" to make up the difference now for that legacy of depravity.
If "the left" wants high moral standards from the Oval office... they should have called for it when they had the chance.
Here is the thing, only one side can have the moral highground and trump's actions and the blithering defense of them by the right puts the right at a loss. So the left picks it up by default, and this is why it is a bad thing for republicans as the left normally has no claim to moral high ground.
quote:
Ummm... you seem to be the one suggesting teh POTUS is the moral leader of the country.
They don't have to be the "moral" leader but they at least need to be role model for children.
quote:
I've never suggested that ANY politician should be our moral leader. Morality is for religion, philosophy, etc. Certainly not politics. Our government was never constituted to enforce a single person's morality. In fact, it was constructed to prevent it.
I am up for the gov't have no role in morality, the right doesn't do this though. Social conservatives whole schtick is about morality.
quote:
And you've already forgot that healthcare flopped in the Senate... looks like it worked!
well it is certainly distracting from his failure. the thing is that obamacare repeal isn't going away. It will come back. Same with Russians.
Page 4 of 6
Popular
Back to top
Follow TigerDroppings for LSU Football News