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re: Why do Libertarians act like this?
Posted on 11/6/19 at 1:31 pm to Dale51
Posted on 11/6/19 at 1:31 pm to Dale51
Those being the two biggest policy issues that separate the elephants from the porcupines.
The single largest reason why young people, in particular, distrust the GOP is weed. If tge GOP flipped on weed and decided to end the War on Drugs, they wouldn’t lose an election for 20 years. The war on drugs is about so much more than potheads. It has eroded the bill of rights beyond recognition with the phrase “I think I smell weed”, the police state’s “it’s coming right for us!”
The single largest reason why young people, in particular, distrust the GOP is weed. If tge GOP flipped on weed and decided to end the War on Drugs, they wouldn’t lose an election for 20 years. The war on drugs is about so much more than potheads. It has eroded the bill of rights beyond recognition with the phrase “I think I smell weed”, the police state’s “it’s coming right for us!”
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Posted on 11/6/19 at 1:32 pm to Aubie Spr96
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Posted on 11/6/19 at 1:33 pm to SCLibertarian
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He outperformed many establishment candidates with a virtual media blackout. Rand got elected to the Senate and is now a national political figure. These two have shown that libertarians can carve out a place in the Republican Party that has now virtually cast aside the neocons (thank God).
This is how you do it. Change the GOP brand from within. Leverage libertarian ideas like foreign policy from people like Trump and leverage fiscal policy from other people like fiscal hawks in the GOP and leverage civil liberties from the left. Build coalitions within the GOP brand and change it from within and the people like the neocons that don't go along can switch parties. IMO this is a much more sound and powerful way to be effective.
Posted on 11/6/19 at 1:34 pm to kingbob
this would be a start in the right direction. Next step would to actually have any sort of plan for healthcare. Just saying Obamacare sucks is not enough.
Posted on 11/6/19 at 1:39 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Maybe Republicans should court Libertarians more than they do?
Bevin was pretty close to as libertarian as it gets
Posted on 11/6/19 at 1:39 pm to mindbreaker
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as someone who regularly votes libertarian I can tell you this doesn't matter to us in the slightest.
You cannot be this stupid. I refuse to believe it.
Posted on 11/6/19 at 1:40 pm to Seldom Seen
They just want marijuana legalized.
Posted on 11/6/19 at 1:54 pm to tiggerthetooth
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They just want marijuana legalized.
Posted on 11/6/19 at 1:54 pm to Seldom Seen
Some guy who calls himself 'libertarian' in Ky. I've seen it all before. The short story: There is large 'L' and small 'l'. And even in small 'l' there are Marxists who claim they are libertarian. IRL they have explained to me:
"I'm for affirmative action, welfare and socialized medicine. But I'm for gay marriage. I'm a libertarian."
Bill Maher called himself a libertarian.
There are tons of libertarians who have a litmus test that excludes anyone who disagrees with 1% of their opinions.
Zach is a libertarian. The easy test is:
If the law protects freedom it is justified. If it does not, it is not justified.
The even simpler test is: 'Take care of your own damn self.'
The hard test is the reading of libertarian philosophy that goes back to 18th century English thinkers. And I'm not writing 100 pages of text to go through it.
Neither the Dems nor GOP are libertarian but the GOP is WAAAAAY closer to the philosophy than the Dems.
"I'm for affirmative action, welfare and socialized medicine. But I'm for gay marriage. I'm a libertarian."
Bill Maher called himself a libertarian.
There are tons of libertarians who have a litmus test that excludes anyone who disagrees with 1% of their opinions.
Zach is a libertarian. The easy test is:
If the law protects freedom it is justified. If it does not, it is not justified.
The even simpler test is: 'Take care of your own damn self.'
The hard test is the reading of libertarian philosophy that goes back to 18th century English thinkers. And I'm not writing 100 pages of text to go through it.
Neither the Dems nor GOP are libertarian but the GOP is WAAAAAY closer to the philosophy than the Dems.
This post was edited on 11/6/19 at 1:55 pm
Posted on 11/6/19 at 1:57 pm to tiggerthetooth
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They just want marijuana legalized.
The vast majority of people are attracted to libertarian politics because of foreign policy. It's why I got involved. Government will never decrease in size so long as the United States is the world's police. You cannot be Earth's nanny and somehow expect those authoritarian tendencies won't apply domestically.
Posted on 11/6/19 at 2:03 pm to SCLibertarian
Because they have issues with both parties (A concept I understand fully. I have voted for both Ross Perot and Ron Paul in past presidential elections.) and feel that stuff like this is the only way for them to gather support or the only way the door is ever going to get opened to a system with more than two viable options. And anyone on the right that has an issue with it because of this would be doing handstands if it went the other way and cost the Democrats an election.
Posted on 11/6/19 at 2:06 pm to Seldom Seen
quote:This question from a group of people who drink their coffee from mugs purporting to contain “liberal tears?”
Why do Libertarians act like this? ... Delicious Tears
This post was edited on 11/6/19 at 2:41 pm
Posted on 11/6/19 at 2:09 pm to efrad
quote:Exactly. I am a Center-Right libertarian, and I vote GOP probably 95% of the time.
The Libertarian Party no longer has libertarian values. Instead of trying to sell their values, they've chosen to just be a party for random people angry at the establishment. Actual libertarians are more and more distancing themselves from the party.
They're actually proud they got those votes, even though it's meaningless. The idea that they could have had any effect on the election is a victory for them.
Most of the time, the LPA candidate is a nut case
Posted on 11/6/19 at 2:31 pm to Esquire
quote:This is very simplistic.quote:Being actual conservatives would be a great start. Or the GOP can keep ballooning the deficit, renewing the Patriot Act, and increasing the size of government while blaming the Libertarians for everything.
What would Repubs have to do to fall in favor of Libers?
Anything right of the political center (even if looking at a 2-dimensional Nolan chart) is “conservative.” Conservatives vary up-and-down the vertical axis of the Nolan chart, and to be very honest I have almost nothing in common with those Republicans at the far south vertical pole.
Nonetheless they are “conservatives” — authoritarian and socially regressive — but still “conservatives.”
Posted on 11/6/19 at 2:32 pm to mindbreaker
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as someone who regularly votes libertarian I can tell you this doesn't matter to us in the slightest. As we see no benefits to either party and both are EQUALLY garbage
Your platform is closer to Democrats.
Globalism , open borders which leads to welfare. Those aren't conservative views.
Libertarians are worse than Democrats on foreign trade.
Posted on 11/6/19 at 2:35 pm to Zach
quote:As an actual libertarian, I will take this guy’s vote, but he is not an ideological libertarian.
affirmative action, welfare and socialized medicine.
But every ideology picks up a few one issue voters that don’t otherwise agree with its broader platform.
Posted on 11/6/19 at 2:36 pm to Seldom Seen
That's really any 3rd party.
You think the Green Party GAF?
You think the Green Party GAF?
Posted on 11/6/19 at 2:38 pm to SCLibertarian
quote:I find this interesting
The vast majority of people are attracted to libertarian politics because of foreign policy. It's why I got involved. Government will never decrease in size so long as the United States is the world's police. You cannot be Earth's nanny and somehow expect those authoritarian tendencies won't apply domestically.
I am a fairly devout (albeit pragmatic) small-L libertarian, but isolationism is the least important plank in the ideological platform for me.
This post was edited on 11/6/19 at 2:40 pm
Posted on 11/6/19 at 2:40 pm to AggieHank86
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This is very simplistic.
Because it really IS that simple.
Fiscal conservatives would do something about our spending. Rand Paul was about run out of Congress this year because he questioned the funding for the 9/11 victims.
Representatives that truly believed in privacy and freedom would vote against the Patriot Act. "Several key provisions of the Patriot Act expired Monday at midnight after Sen. Rand Paul, R-Kent., voiced strong objections to the bill and delayed the process. But he lacked the votes needed to grind the renewal process to a complete halt, and on Tuesday morning the Senate moved closer to final passage."
And while Trump has promised to "drain the swamp", not a single Federal Dept has been eliminated. Not a single Federal budget has been cut. In fact, we increased military spending and the infrastructure bill will be here sooner rather than later.
The lesser of two evils is still evil. Modern day Rs are more closely aligned to 60's-70's era Democrats than they are anything else. H
This post was edited on 11/6/19 at 2:42 pm
Posted on 11/6/19 at 2:41 pm to Seldom Seen
The big L libertarian party are whackos.
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