re: Why do fed workers & their supporters think they're entitled to permanent job security?

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Don’t forget how they take s full day off for any and all made up holidays doled out.

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Most holidays are set by statute. The only "doled out" holidays are whenever a POTUS gives everyone Christmas Eve off (either the whole day or a half day) and the tradition of when a former POTUS has his funeral.

And not all employees get them off. Some positions (such as a VA doctor or a CBP officer) are exempt (they will, however, get other days off in lieu).

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they see their jobs as providing some value

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They should be able to get a decent private sector job then.

Should be a “WindFall” tax on fed workers that survive the downsizing, since they have been benefitted from excessive Democrat policies for so long.. put an extra 25% income tax on all Fed workers…keep it reasonable but something to compensate for the free ride they have….

Complete and total ignorant statement and I am a veteran and as conservative as it gets! Don’t throw the baby out with the bath water.

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I am astounded how many individuals, both here and that I've spoken to in person, have this crazy notion that federal workers are somehow ENTITLED to a job for the duration of how long they choose to work.

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This is hyperbole.

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WHY is a federal job any different than a private-sector job?

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Because a nation must have a govt. The presumption is that these jobs are needed to keep the govt running, which is a necessity for a nation to exist. Working in govt has always been considered a form of public service. Yes, that is not true for a lot of people in govt, but that idea has historically lead to lower wages and less room for promotion in govt jobs in exchange for the permanence of the position ie job security. At the higher levels, govt provides you less than you'd get in the private sector. At the lower levels, total compensation is usually better than an equivalent position in the private sector but that comes with the tradeoff - less mobility. I knew a guy that went to work for a HUGE company as a janitor. He is now way up in the company and very rich. That doesn't happen on the govt side. Some people want to go from janitor to CEO. Others do not. You're not obligated to pursue either path. There are tradeoffs here and I'd say overall that model is good for the nation. That model has been screwed up but it wasn't the govt worker that screwed it up. Before some mongoloid says "but muh govt unions", realize the unions do what they want. They donate how they want. They don't represent the employees. They are out for power, just like the politicians they collude with.

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WHY is it so much harder to fire federal workers than private company workers?

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In many instances, it's not. You just saw that. Most positions are grant or contract work and that stuff can vanish very quickly. The protections are not that robust for most of the federal workforce. There are statutes out there that allow a huge trimming of the workforce in short order.

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WHY do feds think they're 'special' and somehow better than the rest of us?

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Stop thinking the Democrat/MSM propaganda accurately portrays the views of the typical govt employee. You, like many others, have swallowed the narrative on both sides and think this is now an Us v Them situation. It isn't. The overwhelming majority of govt workers are just people trying to make a living and deal with inflation, take care of their kids, etc. Just like you. Typical govt workers are not FBI agents or DOJ prosecutors, out there to weaponize their positions for partisan agendas.

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This sense of entitlement is not endearing

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Put yourself in the position of a govt worker right now and ask yourself if the torrent of hate coming from people like you is endearing. Is it your job and your ability to take care of your family being put in jeopardy right now, or is it theirs? Some self-awareness and situational awareness would be good to dial into about now.

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Time to grow up folks!

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Take your own advice. We desperately need reform. We desperately need efficiency in govt. We have to fix a lot of things - people like Samantha Power, that ran USAID, made millions of dollars, somehow, on a govt salary that was under $200k. That has to be addressed. We clearly have too many in the fed workforce. That has to be addressed. That will not come about with mass firings, except for the 10,000 so top tier positions in things like the SES. Imagine walking into your house and realizing you have too much stuff but then randomly getting rid of 10% of it - it'll take you about 24hrs to realize you got rid of stuff you should have kept and kept stuff that needed to go. The result is dysfunction. If you spent a little bit of time figuring out how to proceed and a little bit of money to get some bins or trashcans to separate things, you'd be far better off. That is how we need to proceed right now.

You are all turning into a Dem campaign ad for the midterms. This is one of the dumbest, most foolish, most childish, and cruelest exhibitions of stupidity I've ever seen. If you are too dumb to realize these govt workers didn't write the policies and pass the laws that produced the problems we have now and shouldn't be the ones paying the price for that, then look at this in a pragmatic way - you are assuring millions of additional votes for the Democrats in 2026 and 2028. Every one of these workers, and their family members, and anyone else angry about how they're being treated, talked about, and the consequences that befall them, are going to vote Dem. Take a guess where that gets us.

By the way, the people that didn't take the first offer and are now fired, or will be fired, they're going to get a much better deal when the litigation is complete. It's going to cost the taxpayers a shitload of money. Blindsiding people with a week or so to make those types of decisions was incredibly stupid. Elon thinks the govt is Twitter but he's an idiot. He also wants to throw American workers in the shitter for the sake of H1B, so none of this should surprise anyone. By the way, none of his govt contracts were identified as waste by his team. Very convenient. Dems are going to have a field day with this.

I'll say it once more, the solution here has always been to retire with lump sum payment, not fire. Give people a good exit, determine which positions need to go, and start saving money. 15% of the fed workforce is retirement eligible. That is a good start. Retire all the DEI people immediately. Then take the low hanging fruit of obviously unneeded positions and you can get to 25% pretty quickly. Retire them with a lump sum kicker. Then put in the effort and the time and figure out how to get another 25% over a few more years. That's a 50% reduction. Every time someone retires, their cost to the govt goes down by over 50%. That is how this is done. Someone retired only needs a part time job to make a full time income. Give them a lump sum with plenty of lead time before their final day, and you have a win win. Some quick math - assume a govt employee costs $100k per year for salary, benefits, etc. If you take that down to $50k and you can trim 25% of the 10M of those in the federal workforce, that saves $120B / yr.

Call them all pieces of shite, and that's how you get Democrats in control with a $10T federal budget.

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Fire all the DEI people immediately.

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Fixed that for you.

There is zero reason not to fire DEI people with cause.

They must go immediately they have done grievous harm.

Retire the rest that's fine, but the DEI people must be made a lesson of.

Next time Democrats get into the White House, people need to know any DEI nonsense will be gutted like a fish upon the next administration.

100% correct POTUS . Great job trying to explain ; I just don’t hv the mental energy to. The civilians are complaining about their fellow civilians who happen to work for the federal government. Yes the process of firing incompetent lazy employees has to change; but unfortunately everyone is afraid of the union ;
EEO’s and the process of firing incompetent employees is painful. That has to change. But there are thousands of wonderful hard working federal employees out there that is critical to the mission; especially the mission of helping our fellow veterans. Is it perfect no; ( my local medical hospitals etc definitely not perfect either)are some changes needed yes; but systematically firing or loosing half your work force that quickly effects civilians , veterans is not the way .

SFP is right to a point.

FedGov employees who are on a temporary or term basis (such as a summer internship) have no property rights in their job. Once the term or temporary need ends, unless they find another permanent position (this actually happened in one of my offices; it's rare but does happen) they're gone.

Same with probationary period employees with one exception: a person who is a career employee but is in a new position requiring a probationary period, if that position is terminated (or they're told they aren't meeting standards prior to the end of the probationary period), that person has a right to their previous position. (I was in that position and exercised my right to return; however, when she saw that I wasn't going to whine and beg to stay, she changed her mind.)

Once an employee has completed the requirements for a career position, s/he can only be terminated 1) for failure to continually meet requirements, 2) for misconduct, or 3) if the position is abolished AND the person is unable or unwilling to exercise "bump/retreat" rights to another position (the rights only apply within an agency, not across them, and then only within a "competitive area" which is usually a metro area).

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BUT: there are rules which must be followed, and no administration can unilaterally change them; they must go through the rulemaking process. Whether that is or isn't the case is the subject of the numerous complaints and lawsuits.

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Translation: We have to keep doing retarded shite because we've always done retarded shite, and we have to follow the rules even when they're retarded because we don't have the ability to use our brains.

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Or we just, you know, have Congress change its laws, like I said.

Then the rules to be followed aren't the same ones he was speaking about.

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This is the issue.

Congress has been slacking and weeak...for a long time.

Same reason cops and other state and local government employees do. You're a fool if you think it is just a federal problem. All government employees are corrupt.