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re: why did George HW bush lose his reelection in 1992?

Posted on 8/18/20 at 9:08 am to
Posted by tigerdup07
Member since Dec 2007
22268 posts
Posted on 8/18/20 at 9:08 am to
clinton was a stud during debates. no one has been even close to being as good as he was. slimey fricker was the best.
Posted by Sooner5030
Desert Southwest
Member since Sep 2014
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Posted on 8/18/20 at 9:10 am to
He's the perfect example of why politicians wont make difficult decisions. It will cost them their job.

When economic growth is dependent on deficit spending and you attempt to reverse that trend you will find yourself in a calculated recession initially. But you will set the path for a better fiscal situation in the out years.
Posted by Tigerpaul1969
The Woodlands, TX
Member since Jan 2010
4693 posts
Posted on 8/18/20 at 9:11 am to
It was a sop to his old buddy from his CIA drug running days. The Bushes and Clinton’s are very very close. All of them went to the same eastern seaboard establishment schools and all are hardcore Machiavellians.
Posted by Mid Iowa Tiger
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Posted on 8/18/20 at 9:11 am to
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why did George HW bush lose his reelection in 1992?



1) "Read my lips, no new taxes" - a pledge that he did not keep.

2) Ross Perot siphoned off a margin of victory worth of votes.

3) That was the first election wherein the press became really an activist press for the left to an extent that t had meaningful impact.

Bill Clinton was a sacrificial candidate because at the time of his nomination HW's approvals were sky high.
Posted by udtiger
Over your left shoulder
Member since Nov 2006
115342 posts
Posted on 8/18/20 at 9:15 am to
Broke his "no new taxes" pledge.

Simple as that.

He holds his ground, Perot likely doesn't get in the race and even if he does, the disaffected Bush voters would not have gone to him.
Posted by westide
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Member since Sep 2014
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Posted on 8/18/20 at 9:15 am to
1.Bush lied about tax increase 2. Ross Perot wanted Clinton to win so he ran as 3rd party candidate to take votes from Bush. 3. The media ran stories every day about the bad economy. Of course, the day after the election the negative stories about the economy stopped. 4. Bush was boring as hell.
Posted by boogiewoogie1978
Little Rock
Member since Aug 2012
20071 posts
Posted on 8/18/20 at 9:25 am to
charisma
Posted by CGSC Lobotomy
Member since Sep 2011
81611 posts
Posted on 8/18/20 at 9:27 am to
quote:

Perot certainly had an effect on the popular vote totals, but few experts think that he had an effect upon the EV at all.


Then "few experts" are able to do simple math.

States that Clinton won with less than 45% of the vote:

Colorado: Clinton 629,681, Bush+Perot 948,860

Connecticut: Clinton 682,318, Bush+Perot 927,084

Delaware: Clinton 126,054, Bush+Perot 161,526

Georgia: Clinton 1,008,966, Bush+Perot 1,304,909

Iowa: Clinton 586,353, Bush+Perot 758,359

Kentucky: Clinton 665,104, Bush+Perot 821,122

Michigan: Clinton 1,871,182, Bush+Perot 2,379,753

Minnesota: Clinton 1,020,997, Bush+Perot 1,310,347

Missouri: Clinton 1,053,873, Bush+Perot 1,329,900

New Jersey: Clinton 1,436,206, Bush+Perot 1,878,694

Ohio: Clinton 1,984,942, Bush+Perot 2,930,736

Oregon: Clinton 621,314, Bush+Perot 829,848

Washington: Clinton 993,037, Bush+Perot 1,273,014

Wisconsin: Clinton 1,041,066, Bush+Perot 1,475,334

States Clinton won with less than 40% of the vote:

Maine: Clinton 263,420, Bush+Perot 413,324

Montana: Clinton 154,507, Bush+Perot 251,432

Nevada: Clinton 189,148, Bush+Perot 308,408

New Hampshire: Clinton 209,040, Bush+Perot 323,821

Additionally, Clinton only won Arkansas and DC with over 50% of the vote.

If you make the logical assumption that, had Perot not been in the race his voters go 75% Bush and 25% Clinton, you get the following:

Bush - 334
Clinton - 204
Posted by Fat Bastard
alter hunter
Member since Mar 2009
91073 posts
Posted on 8/18/20 at 9:28 am to
ROSS PEROT AND

"READ MY LIPS, NO NEW TAXES"
Posted by Turbeauxdog
Member since Aug 2004
24273 posts
Posted on 8/18/20 at 9:31 am to
He’ll counter with exit polls showing a closer split, however, Perot took a sledgehammer to bush’s coalition early in the race and when the dust settled, many of those early bush voters now Perot voters preferred Clinton over bush.
Posted by Capstone2017
I love lead paint- PokeyTiger
Member since Dec 2013
2235 posts
Posted on 8/18/20 at 9:42 am to
Finally someone else who gets it. He actually cared about future Americans and tried to ease our national debt by a reasonable tax raise. It was also possible in theory to cut the military budget but for some reason the U.S has to outspend the next 10 nations combined.
Posted by LSU316
Rice and Easy Baby!!!
Member since Nov 2007
30278 posts
Posted on 8/18/20 at 9:43 am to
quote:

He was more concerned with foreign affairs than that of America. THIS IS THE REASON.



Naw...the reason was the Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act of 1990....that act created some taxes that would lead to Clinton's budget "surplus".

It lost him a lot of the heavy hitters in the GOP at the time...and some of those folks got Perot in the 92 election and that was all she wrote for HW.

I think history has and will judge HW fairly kindly...can't say the same for his son.
Posted by 14&Counting
Dallas, TX
Member since Jul 2012
42065 posts
Posted on 8/18/20 at 9:56 am to
-Ross Perot split the vote

-Clinton was an extremely charismatic, center-left, pro-business, Southern Democrat who had broad cross-appeal.

-Nasty recession during election year. "No new taxes" etc. It's the economy stupid.
Posted by prplhze2000
Parts Unknown
Member since Jan 2007
58179 posts
Posted on 8/18/20 at 9:57 am to
He and his team had gotten out of touch. Economy slowed some and Clinton was an energetic candidate.

Ross Perot stole alot of the vote as well. Perot was in the lead at one point before he imploded.
Posted by AustinTigr
Austin, TX
Member since Dec 2004
2937 posts
Posted on 8/18/20 at 9:57 am to
Perot.
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
Member since Oct 2012
128773 posts
Posted on 8/18/20 at 9:57 am to
“Read my lips - no new taxes.”

Then added new taxes.
Posted by AggieHank86
Texas
Member since Sep 2013
44345 posts
Posted on 8/18/20 at 10:04 am to
quote:

If you make the logical assumption that, had Perot not been in the race his voters go 75% Bush and 25% Clinton, you get the following:

Bush - 334
Clinton - 204
The problem with that "logical assumption" is that exit polls show the "second choice" for Perot voters was split between Bush and Clinton almost exactly evenly, not 75:25.
Posted by Tiger in Texas
Houston, Texas
Member since Sep 2004
22212 posts
Posted on 8/18/20 at 10:18 am to
I voted for Ross Perot...he was a better option!
Posted by mtntiger
Asheville, NC
Member since Oct 2003
29725 posts
Posted on 8/18/20 at 10:19 am to
He was a spineless puss - that's why.

He had promised No New Taxes then signed a Democrat tax bill instead of vetoing it to make the Dems own it.

Also, Ross Perot pulled just enough votes away to give the election to Clinton.

Ever since then, Republicans have mistakenly thought that going along to get along is a winning strategy.
Posted by Ace Midnight
Between sanity and madness
Member since Dec 2006
95622 posts
Posted on 8/18/20 at 10:43 am to
quote:

“Read my lips - no new taxes.” Then added new taxes.


It was a dumb pledge, but the voters were even dumber by voting for a Dem - who then proceeded to raise taxes more than they ever had been up to that point.
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