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re: why did George HW bush lose his reelection in 1992?

Posted on 8/18/20 at 5:30 pm to
Posted by Palm Beach Tiger
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Posted on 8/18/20 at 5:30 pm to
Because Bill Clinton was a slick talker.
Posted by Toomer Deplorable
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Posted on 8/18/20 at 6:06 pm to
The left wing of the CIA won out over the right wing.

The Crimes of Mena Arkansas

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MENA, Ark. -- What do Bill Clinton and Oliver North have in common, along with the Arkansas State Police and the Central Intelligence Agency? All probably wish they had never heard of Mena.

President Clinton was asked at his Oct. 7 press conference about Mena, a small town and airport in the wilds of Western Arkansas. Sarah McClendon, a longtime Washington curmudgeon renowned for her off-the-wall questions, wove a query around the charge that a base in Mena was "set up by Oliver North and the CIA" in the 1980s and used to "bring in planeload after planeload of cocaine" for sale in the U.S., with the profits then used to buy weapons for the Contras. Was he told as Arkansas governor? she asked.

"No," the president replied, "they didn't tell me anything about it." The alleged events "were primarily a matter for federal jurisdiction. The state really had next to nothing to do with it. The local prosecutor did conduct an investigation based on what was in the jurisdiction of state law. The rest of it was under the jurisdiction of the United States Attorneys who were appointed successively by previous administrations. We had nothing -- zero -- to do with it."

It was Mr. Clinton's lengthiest remark on the murky affair since it surfaced nearly a decade ago, in the middle of his long tenure as governor of Arkansas. And while the president may be correct to suggest that Mena is an even bigger problem for previous Republican administrations, he was wrong on just about every other count. The state of Arkansas had plenty to do with Mena, and Mr. Clinton left many unanswered questions behind when he moved to Washington.

Anyone who thinks that Mena is not serious should speak to William Duncan, a former Internal Revenue Service investigator who, together with Arkansas State Police Investigator Russell Welch, has fought a bitter 10-year battle to bring the matter to light. They pinned their hopes on nine separate state and federal probes. All failed.

"The Mena investigations were never supposed to see the light of day," says Mr. Duncan, now an investigator with the Medicaid Fraud Division of the office of Arkansas Attorney General Winston Bryant. "Investigations were interfered with and covered up, and the justice system was subverted."

The mysteries of Mena, detailed on this page on June 29, center on the activities of a drug-smuggler-turned-informant named Adler Berriman "Barry" Seal. Mr. Seal began operating at Mena Intermountain Regional Airport in 1981. At the height of his career, according to Mr. Welch, Mr. Seal was importing as much as 1,000 pounds of cocaine a month.

By 1984, Mr. Seal was an informant for the Drug Enforcement Agency and flew at least one sting operation to Nicaragua for the CIA, a mission known to have drawn the attention of Mr. North. By 1986, Mr. Seal was dead, gunned down by Colombian hitmen in Baton Rouge, La. Eight months after Mr. Seal's murder, his cargo plane, which had been based at Mena, was shot down over Nicaragua with Eugene Hasenfus and a load of Contra supplies aboard.....

Read More: https://www.wsj.com/articles/SB920421328276427000




Clinton, Bush And Mena Arkansas


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Barry Seal - gunrunner, drug trafficker, and covert C.I.A. operative extraordinaire - is hardly a familiar name in American politics. But nine years after he was murdered in a hail of bullets by Medellin cartel hit men outside a Salvation Army shelter in Baton Rouge, Louisiana, he has come back to haunt the reputations of three American presidents.
Seal's legacy includes more than 2,000 newly discovered documents that now verify and quantify much of what previously had been only suspicion, conjecture, and legend. The documents confirm that from 1981 to his brutal death in 1986, Barry Seal carried on one of the most lucrative, extensive, and brazen operations in the history of the international drug trade, and that he did it with the evident complicity, if not collusion, of elements of the United States government, apparently with the acquiescence of Ronald Reagan's administration, impunity from any subsequent exposure by George Bush's administration, and under the usually acute political nose of then Arkansas governor Bill Clinton.

The newly unearthed papers show the real Seal as far more impressive and well-connected than the character played by Dennis Hopper in a made-for-TV movie some years ago, loosely based on the smuggler's life. The film portrayed the pudgy pilot as a hapless victim, caught in a cross fire between bungling but benign government agencies and Latin drug lords. The truth sprinkled through the documents is a richer - and altogether more sinister - matter of national and individual corruption. It is a tale of massive, socially devastating crime, of what seems to have been an official cover-up to match, and, not least, of the strange reluctance of so-called mainstream American journalism to come to grips with the phenomenon and its ominous implications - even when the documentary evidence had appeared.

The trail winds back to another slightly bruited but obscure name - a small place in western Arkansas called Mena.

Of the many stories emerging from the Arkansas of the 1980s that was crucible to the Clinton presidency, none has been more elusive than the charges surrounding Mena. Nestled in the dense pine and hardwood forests of the Oachita Mountains, some 160 miles west of Little Rock, once thought a refuge for nineteenth-century border outlaws and even a hotbed of Depression-era anarchists, the tiny town has been the locale for persistent reports of drug smuggling, gunrunning, and money laundering tracing to the early eighties, when Seal based his aircraft at Mena's Intermountain Regional Airport.


Read More: https://www.whatreallyhappened.com/RANCHO/POLITICS/MENA/crimes_of_mena.html


Posted by Tigerfan1274
Member since May 2019
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Posted on 8/18/20 at 6:10 pm to
And remember Bill Clinton of the 1992 would be considered a right wing zealot by today’s dems.
Posted by gthog61
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Posted on 8/18/20 at 6:12 pm to
because he caved to the dems on taxes so they shiv;d him in the back
Posted by Toomer Deplorable
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Posted on 8/18/20 at 6:19 pm to
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And remember Bill Clinton of the 1992 would be considered a right wing zealot by today’s dems.





I agree with Obama’s 2008 claim that while marriage is a religious rite between man and woman, the State should recognize homosexual civil unions. Now that means I am a Nazi who ultimately supports sending homosexuals to internment camps.
Posted by bleedpg
Hot Springs Village, Arkansas
Member since Dec 2006
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Posted on 8/18/20 at 6:24 pm to
Ross Perot. I voted for him because I didn’t like Bush. I will never vote like that again.
Posted by ItNeverRains
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Posted on 8/18/20 at 6:27 pm to
Anyone who says anything other than Ross Perot is wrong
Posted by Toomer Deplorable
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Posted on 8/18/20 at 6:29 pm to
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Ross Perot. I voted for him because I didn’t like Bush. I will never vote like that again.


I have the exact opposite reaction. I voted for Bush and I realize now I may have well as abstained or voted 3rd party. I realize now that a vote for Bush or Clinton was a vote for the left or right wing of our corrupt national security apparatus.
Posted by Ted2010
Member since Oct 2010
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Posted on 8/18/20 at 6:30 pm to
Clinton had a good theme with the economy and he was far better at speaking and connecting with the everyday people. Bush the elder was just out of touch. And the Ross Perot factor. Perot took a lot of votes away from Bush. He also did this in 1996 but not to the degree he did in 1992.

Best I can recall Clinton never won a majority of the popular vote.
Posted by KiwiHead
Auckland, NZ
Member since Jul 2014
37516 posts
Posted on 8/18/20 at 11:28 pm to
it's not ignorant, it's the mutha fukkin truth. In late 1991 Clinton and Tsongas were considered to be sacrificial lambs for the Democrats. It was really a test run for Clinton for the 96 election. People were not voting against H.W. over taxes. Bush really did not work the election until it was too late.

I would argue that 70-80% of Perot's support was Trumpesque Republican. I would also argue Perot's motivation for running was personal against H.W. Daddy Bush was not a good campaigner. Clinton was a good campaigner. Perot was really good on camera and would ham it up. Bush seemed annoyed with both of them and annoyed that he was fighting for his political life despite winning the Gulf War and presiding over the break up of the Soviet Union and Warsaw Pact.

But what killed Bush was that he lost California. In the Spring, after it was apparent Clinton was the Democrat nominee he opens up a 20 point lead over Bush in CA. That was brutal, until then Republicans could count on Orange County Republicans to help carry the state.

Posted by Dalosaqy
I can't quite re
Member since Dec 2007
13465 posts
Posted on 8/19/20 at 12:22 am to
Because "Read my lips, no new taxes."
Posted by timdonaghyswhistle
Member since Jul 2018
21037 posts
Posted on 8/19/20 at 12:29 am to
HW made John McCain look like Obama on the campaign trail.
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