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re: Why aren't kids getting into the trades anymore?
Posted on 2/16/21 at 11:12 am to mmcgrath
Posted on 2/16/21 at 11:12 am to mmcgrath
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How much pay someone will accept is based on what they think they are worth. They may be wrong, but if you can't find someone to reliably fill a position at the rate you are hiring, then you are wrong.
Partially true, but you're leaving out a very important part of the equation.
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Posted on 2/16/21 at 11:55 am to rooster108bm
That’s good to know - I was specifically talking about ibew8 up in Toledo. They have a lower “acceptance” rate than the UM
Posted on 2/16/21 at 2:05 pm to mmcgrath
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How much pay someone will accept is based on what they think they are worth. They may be wrong, but if you can't find someone to reliably fill a position at the rate you are hiring, then you are wrong.
Where my mind goes with this is what HS aged BABYSITTERS are charging per hour. And I don't mean the average/terrible girls who you KNOW are going to eat all your food & have at least 2 boyfriends come over during the hours to fornicate all over my house.
We have 2 girls that we use, based on their availability that we have to schedule AT LEAST 2 weeks in advance & they charge $20/hr for the 1st 4 hours. $25/hr for each additional hour. They don't cook, clean, or even bathe the kids for bed time. That's just for them to put delivery food or pre-cooked meals on a plate & just "watch" them or maybe play with toys/games/watch TV.
When you look at what "trades" boys want compared to their Hs girlfriends, it's not that shocking.
Hell, my yard kid charges $40 to mow, weedeat, & blow the front + back. Takes him less than 30 min to finish all that. Charges more for any spray, fertilizer, flower beds maintenance. And he's got 14 other houses on my street. He's killing it.
Posted on 2/16/21 at 2:17 pm to Wally Sparks
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Why aren't kids getting into the trades anymore? Because for the past 30+ years parents have harped on the “college or bust” train.
It's not only parents telling kids they need college, it's high school counselors and the government too. The indoctrination isn't complete until you take at least another four years of college courses.
Posted on 2/16/21 at 2:22 pm to mmcgrath
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Why aren't kids getting into the trades anymore? quote: entry level carpenters
How much are you paying them? You get what you pay for generally. Have you tried reaching out to trade schools or high schools?
If the pay seems low it's probably due to the thousands of illegals who work in building trades for below market wages, but people like you voted for a loon who wants to allow low skill illegal immigrants into the country while building razor wire fences in DC.
Posted on 2/16/21 at 2:32 pm to burger bearcat
I turned my $14/hr skilled trade [entry level] into a six figure career managing and coordinating contractors and vendors.
If you are just slightly smarter than the average bear, work hard and work smart, don't do drugs and don't get a criminal record, you can turn a skilled trade into a dynasty.
Especially in today's market where good help has never been harder to find.
If you are just slightly smarter than the average bear, work hard and work smart, don't do drugs and don't get a criminal record, you can turn a skilled trade into a dynasty.
Especially in today's market where good help has never been harder to find.
This post was edited on 2/16/21 at 2:35 pm
Posted on 2/16/21 at 2:34 pm to Bass Tiger
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If the pay seems low it's probably due to the thousands of illegals who work in building trades for below market wages, but people like you voted for a loon who wants to allow low skill illegal immigrants into the country while building razor wire fences in DC.
There's a difference between "trade" and "skilled trade".
The illegals are taking most of the "trade" jobs, but the stuff that requires any brains between your ears can be very high paying.
Posted on 2/16/21 at 2:41 pm to burger bearcat
Fiber Optics [and associated comms cabling]
It costs about $15,000 to get a few Bicsi Certs and license and about two years to do all of the above, all the while working entry level ~$20/hr [market dependent] for real world experience.
This is a chrysalis.
Emerge from that chrysalis with multiple opportunities for $70k+ field tech jobs.
Right out of high school at age 18, start this. At age 20 or 21, making $70k. No debt. Massive demand for your skill, pick your job. Pick where you want to live.
If you want to turn that into a desk job as you get older and the manual part of it and random hour part of it isn't condusive for your age/family situation, you'll be in the 100k range.
Not bad.
It costs about $15,000 to get a few Bicsi Certs and license and about two years to do all of the above, all the while working entry level ~$20/hr [market dependent] for real world experience.
This is a chrysalis.
Emerge from that chrysalis with multiple opportunities for $70k+ field tech jobs.
Right out of high school at age 18, start this. At age 20 or 21, making $70k. No debt. Massive demand for your skill, pick your job. Pick where you want to live.
If you want to turn that into a desk job as you get older and the manual part of it and random hour part of it isn't condusive for your age/family situation, you'll be in the 100k range.
Not bad.
Posted on 2/16/21 at 2:53 pm to deeprig9
The very people who complain about why no kids want to be in the trades want THEIR kids to go to college and NOT be in the trades.
Posted on 2/16/21 at 2:56 pm to mmcgrath
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In my area in NJ, they have recently built several tech high schools that offer a full hs education including STEM but where the technical trades are emphasized. A lot of kids like it, especially as an alternative to the city high schools. You get top notch trade schools and have employers recruiting you but also get a good college prep ed if you go that route.
This is my client base for the last decade plus. I equip technical HS and college programs with their student training equipment. There are technical programs and HS opening all over the country over the last 12 years. As much as I disliked the man, I give credit to Obama; he put the money into things like Perkins grants to equip these programs. Trump continued to do so; as a construction guy, he knew better than most how important skilled tradesmen are to our country.
Posted on 2/16/21 at 2:59 pm to GeorgeWest
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The very people who complain about why no kids want to be in the trades want THEIR kids to go to college and NOT be in the trades.
This is true.
Trade schools need to become colleges. Or colleges doing trades. Med school is a trade school. Law school is a trade school. Vet school is a trade school. Expand into other areas so you can go to college, get a liberal arts worldly education, and spend the last two years in a deep dive into a trade, and still get the ol' "college experience".. And you still get that college degree to prove you can do math and read at a high level.
I don't know.
This post was edited on 2/16/21 at 3:48 pm
Posted on 2/16/21 at 3:24 pm to deeprig9
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Trade schools need to become colleges. Or colleges doing trades.
This is exactly what Germany does.
Posted on 2/16/21 at 3:35 pm to Floyd Dawg
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This is my client base for the last decade plus. I equip technical HS and college programs with their student training equipment. There are technical programs and HS opening all over the country over the last 12 years. As much as I disliked the man, I give credit to Obama; he put the money into things like Perkins grants to equip these programs. Trump continued to do so; as a construction guy, he knew better than most how important skilled tradesmen are to our country.
Great post. I am impressed with the new technical schools. "Shop classes" in regular high schools should be for those who want to learn how to do an oil change or gotten rid of altogether.
Posted on 2/16/21 at 3:41 pm to burger bearcat
I started a plumbing and pipe fitting apprenticeship in 2011 when I was 20. Finished it and still going strong every day. I love the trade.
Posted on 2/16/21 at 3:46 pm to burger bearcat
I'm 50ish...I'd go into the trades right now. Probably electrical, cause plumbing is too physical, welding is boring. I'd also be ok in the 'trades' money for craiglist women needs.
Posted on 2/16/21 at 3:49 pm to OhioPatriot
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I started a plumbing and pipe fitting apprenticeship in 2011 when I was 20. Finished it and still going strong every day. I love the trade.
how much you make and what kind of benefits?
Posted on 2/16/21 at 3:53 pm to CheEngineer
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CheEngineer
Posted on 2/16/21 at 3:58 pm to burger bearcat
Welcome to the golden age of ENTITLEMENT.
Posted on 2/16/21 at 3:59 pm to burger bearcat
No need when you can part time at a shite job and get government hand outs.
Posted on 2/16/21 at 4:04 pm to burger bearcat
Like everything else, blame the boomers, for telling their kids and students it's college or bust.
Also, I think the industry needs to draw a distinction between "tradesmen" and "guys from south of the border who gather at Home Depot at 5 am to look for work".
Buddy of mine spent some time shooting at Saddam's boys, came home, got linked up with the electrical union, took some classes on the union's dime, and has ever since had a great high paying job as an electrician (even after his union dues get paid). But every day his firm competes for jobs against Jose and Manuel who aren't exactly experts on code, but the price is right.
Also, I think the industry needs to draw a distinction between "tradesmen" and "guys from south of the border who gather at Home Depot at 5 am to look for work".
Buddy of mine spent some time shooting at Saddam's boys, came home, got linked up with the electrical union, took some classes on the union's dime, and has ever since had a great high paying job as an electrician (even after his union dues get paid). But every day his firm competes for jobs against Jose and Manuel who aren't exactly experts on code, but the price is right.
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