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Posted on 3/27/24 at 9:45 am to BCreed1
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Until we stand up and demand a return to the principles and draw a line in the sand that will not be crossed, we will continue to drift to the left.
Start with spending.
All of these social programs are exacerbated by all of these spending bills no one reads.
Guess whats inside?
"Liberal" meant big spender when I was young. All the power to DC is in appropriations of resources.
We are rich, fat and happy so we can entertain worthless bullshite. If if falls apart, there will be no feminism or trans gender activism.
Posted on 3/27/24 at 9:46 am to RogerTheShrubber
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Its a fair point. We're becoming to soft, and harder people will one day prevail.
To deny this is denying history.
The ungodliness of Rome was it's down fall.
Posted on 3/27/24 at 9:46 am to SlowFlowPro
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When do you believe we should have stopped?
Here is a good stopping point.
Stop when American men stopped feeling ashamed for getting handouts when they are capable of working.
Posted on 3/27/24 at 9:47 am to Gifman
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I think we're also getting the words "liberal" confused with "leftist" ALOT. There are very few real liberals left.
This is exactly correct. If the modern day progressive left get their way we will be living in the most restrictive, totalitarian society imaginable. Polar opposite of what a classical liberal would believe in
Posted on 3/27/24 at 9:47 am to Revelator
Just let it fall apart.
I'm content with that, because voters will never give up the gravy train.
I'm content with that, because voters will never give up the gravy train.
Posted on 3/27/24 at 9:48 am to SlowFlowPro
We aren't more liberal. We are more lazy and greedy.
Its a symptom of generational prosperity and not some era of higher education or political enlightenment.
A similar phenomenon happens when elite monarchies or oligarchies rule for generations. People become hungry, disillusioned, and desperate. They begin to yearn for the false promises and instant gratification of collectivism.
Its a symptom of generational prosperity and not some era of higher education or political enlightenment.
A similar phenomenon happens when elite monarchies or oligarchies rule for generations. People become hungry, disillusioned, and desperate. They begin to yearn for the false promises and instant gratification of collectivism.
Posted on 3/27/24 at 9:49 am to SlowFlowPro
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The point is trying to discuss it in such static means
We can discuss it when you stop lying about what I've said.
Posted on 3/27/24 at 9:50 am to SlowFlowPro
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That's a white flag.
No, that's the reality of who you are. In this thread and every thread you try hard to not show it, but you can not keep the facade up. It always slips in...
Posted on 3/27/24 at 9:50 am to Vacherie Saint
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Its a symptom of generational prosperity and not some era of higher education or political enlightenment.
This guy gets it. We are a victim of success.
Probably 2-3% of our population drag the rest of us (including myself) along. Prosperity is a cancer to very average people. It destroys drive, and competitiveness and skews reality.
Posted on 3/27/24 at 9:51 am to Vacherie Saint
So are we prosperous or hungry?
And Marxism is a symptom of progress because freedom creates inequality, but within the framework of a society where no one is really going hungry.
And Marxism is a symptom of progress because freedom creates inequality, but within the framework of a society where no one is really going hungry.
Posted on 3/27/24 at 9:53 am to RogerTheShrubber
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Start with spending.
All of these social programs are exacerbated by all of these spending bills no one reads.
I started a thread about Al Smith who stood up to his party and stated "This is nothing more than Socialism. There can only be 1 Capitol, DC or Moscow."
That was in 1936 when the Dems pushed aside the platform and adopted the New Deal.
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Guess whats inside?
That started under FDR too. Passing bills that nobody had time to read.
Posted on 3/27/24 at 9:54 am to Revelator
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Here is a good stopping point.
Stop when American men stopped feeling ashamed for getting handouts when they are capable of working.
That was the Fed Gov doing it by design! But yes... Pre FDR.
Posted on 3/27/24 at 9:55 am to Flats
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We can discuss it when you stop lying about what I've said.
Well that hasn't happened. I haven't even described what you said. I've just responded to it.
Posted on 3/27/24 at 9:55 am to Vacherie Saint
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They begin to yearn for the false promises and instant gratification of collectivism.
People become socially progressive when they have no real problems in life.
People become fiscally progressive when they are being economically squeezed.
Posted on 3/27/24 at 9:55 am to BCreed1
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but you can not keep the facade up
If that facade is "I'm a big fan of freedom" then yes, it shows up in every thread.
Posted on 3/27/24 at 9:56 am to SlowFlowPro
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Well that hasn't happened. I haven't even described what you said. I've just responded to it.
When did you stop molesting children?
Posted on 3/27/24 at 9:56 am to Flats
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We can discuss it when you stop lying about what I've said.
i think you're misunderstanding what he's saying. i think the point he's trying to make is that today's conservative is the progressive from 200 years ago. Thomas Jefferson was certainly not a conservative in the 1700s, and the ideas that this country was built upon were about as progressive as you could get in that day. at some point over the last 250 years the "progressivism" that built this country became the "formula" as you have referred to it as that has sustained our greatness. when he's asking for you to give him a date, he's implying that just because you and i agree that the "peak America formula", if you will, has been found and should be conserved (i.e., what makes us conservatives), that does not mean that 330 million Americans agree on when that formula was reached - or indeed if it has even been reached.
that's the rub when it comes to conservatism - getting people to agree on what should be conserved and what can still be made better.
Posted on 3/27/24 at 9:57 am to SlowFlowPro
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because freedom creates inequality,
There it is again. Just can't help himself.
Posted on 3/27/24 at 9:57 am to SlowFlowPro
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freedom creates inequality
The only equality is birth and death. Marxism is just using fear and envy to enslave.
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