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Why are students in communities with frequent gun violence excluded from discussion?
Posted on 2/21/18 at 10:44 pm
Posted on 2/21/18 at 10:44 pm
If people really care about the issue of gun violence, the impact of it, and the issues that surround it, why are the students in the communities where this is an everyday possibility or reality excluded from the debate?
I mean mass shootings are terrible, but they are are a fraction of the broader issue of gun violence, and just crime in general. Luckily for these students from Parkland, they are far less likely for the violence to be a reality ever again. But that extremely rare and extremely unique events don't provide much insight into anything pervasive enough to solve anything.
Yet, there are millions of students where this is not the case, and trauma isn't just surrounding a single event, but potentially many events. And safety isn't just a psychological concern, but a physical one as well. And the fight for that safety can be just as dangerous because of these realities. And because these are common, there probably is the potential to gain insight into things that are pervasive enough to make some sort of positive change.
So for all of this concern about violence and our privilege, it doesn't seem like people want to actually give those who experience the most violence, and therefore really lacking a privilege, much of a voice about these concepts. So if we really want to challenge the worldviews of all sides, most of whom don't have much insight into the actual realities of violence, then why not bring the people on who can provide insight into it?
As Nassim Taleb argues, lets bring in people with some real skin in the game.
I mean mass shootings are terrible, but they are are a fraction of the broader issue of gun violence, and just crime in general. Luckily for these students from Parkland, they are far less likely for the violence to be a reality ever again. But that extremely rare and extremely unique events don't provide much insight into anything pervasive enough to solve anything.
Yet, there are millions of students where this is not the case, and trauma isn't just surrounding a single event, but potentially many events. And safety isn't just a psychological concern, but a physical one as well. And the fight for that safety can be just as dangerous because of these realities. And because these are common, there probably is the potential to gain insight into things that are pervasive enough to make some sort of positive change.
So for all of this concern about violence and our privilege, it doesn't seem like people want to actually give those who experience the most violence, and therefore really lacking a privilege, much of a voice about these concepts. So if we really want to challenge the worldviews of all sides, most of whom don't have much insight into the actual realities of violence, then why not bring the people on who can provide insight into it?
As Nassim Taleb argues, lets bring in people with some real skin in the game.
Posted on 2/21/18 at 10:47 pm to buckeye_vol
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Why are students in communities with frequent gun violence excluded from discussion?
Because if we included kids from the inner city, ppl would change the channel, or worse they would see how big of a failure liberal education policies are for the vast majority of public school kids.
Posted on 2/21/18 at 10:48 pm to buckeye_vol
Lol I remember when Wild Wayne had the most somber voice ever when the kid at McDonogh High School was killed in P.E. class...
Posted on 2/21/18 at 10:48 pm to buckeye_vol
Because the gun violence that students experience in communities with frequent gun violence have three things in common
1) the guns are mostly handguns
2) the guns are mostly obtained illegally
3) the places where they occur already have very strict laws.
1) the guns are mostly handguns
2) the guns are mostly obtained illegally
3) the places where they occur already have very strict laws.
Posted on 2/21/18 at 10:48 pm to buckeye_vol
Why are tide swallowers included to begin with? They aren't allowed to vote for a reason, hell society has deemed many of these people incapable of consenting to sexual intercourse.
What's next? Ask students what they think about foreign affairs? Maybe some economic issues?
No doubt they're allowed to educate themselves, and they should certainly show an interest, but they should not be dominating this discussion and that's exactly what's going on here.
What's next? Ask students what they think about foreign affairs? Maybe some economic issues?
No doubt they're allowed to educate themselves, and they should certainly show an interest, but they should not be dominating this discussion and that's exactly what's going on here.
Posted on 2/21/18 at 10:48 pm to buckeye_vol
Because intelligent and well-spoken African Americans from urban communities like Chicago, where the murder rate is higher than war zones, have the ability to dispel the myth that banning guns lessens crime, since cities like Chicago have had the toughest gun laws in America. Hasn't stopped the killings.
Posted on 2/21/18 at 10:50 pm to buckeye_vol
Not a big enough headline when 1 kid gets shot dead from a drug deal gone bad. Been a couple shootings in BTR just this weekend. No one blinked an eye.
Also, the Demographics don't resonate as well as Parkland.
Also, the Demographics don't resonate as well as Parkland.
Posted on 2/21/18 at 10:50 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
quote:I'm not sure about 3 (other than say Chicago), but are you arguing that those are legitimate reasons to lot have the discussion, or those are the reasons the political opportunists exclude them?
1) the guns are mostly handguns
2) the guns are mostly obtained illegally
3) the places where they occur already have very strict laws.
Posted on 2/21/18 at 10:51 pm to buckeye_vol
Trump included them, cnn excluded them
Posted on 2/21/18 at 10:54 pm to buckeye_vol
Because it’s about political power...not about actually solving problems.
Posted on 2/21/18 at 11:00 pm to TDFreak
quote:Well they don't resonate with the echo chamber. But as a person they're trying to convince of a different view, I don't find the insight of people who had one rare and traumatic event particularly compelling regarding insight into far broader issue.
Also, the Demographics don't resonate as well as Parkland.
And it's far easier to conceptualize and understand the responses to a single traumatic experience, then the conceptualize and understand the responses to the experiences, and especially their constant potential, of the students who experience trauma frequently.
Posted on 2/21/18 at 11:02 pm to buckeye_vol
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But as a person they're trying to convince of a different view,
That’s the real problem. Why is a supposed news agency engaged in a marketing campaign on behalf of a political party?
Posted on 2/21/18 at 11:13 pm to buckeye_vol
It only matters when liberal white and Jewish kids get killed.
Posted on 2/21/18 at 11:17 pm to buckeye_vol
quote:
As Nassim Taleb argues, lets bring in people with some real skin in the game.
My man
Posted on 2/21/18 at 11:20 pm to buckeye_vol
quote:
or those are the reasons the political opportunists exclude them
Obviously this
This post was edited on 2/21/18 at 11:21 pm
Posted on 2/21/18 at 11:21 pm to Dawgfanman
quote:bc Fox did it first and got big ratings
That’s the real problem. Why is a supposed news agency engaged in a marketing campaign on behalf of a political party?
Posted on 2/21/18 at 11:25 pm to buckeye_vol
Trump gave equal time to local DC administrators and students who have been dealing with gun violence in their schools and communities for decades.
Trump cares about all students at all schools, not just rich wide kids in high income districts.
Trump cares about all students at all schools, not just rich wide kids in high income districts.
Posted on 2/22/18 at 2:04 am to buckeye_vol
Because the representatives of the people in these communities don't actually care about improving the lives of their constituents. They simply want to keep them in poverty and living in violent communities to secure their vote with false rhetoric. They are merely political pawns. Unfortunately, the people in these communities cannot see that these politicians are only full of hot air with no real desire to improve their situation. They are blinded with promises of freebies. It's a sad reality.
Posted on 2/22/18 at 4:29 am to buckeye_vol
The lack of attention paid to the daily slaughter of young african Americans only proves that they mean nothing to liberals.
They already have them enslaved via the ghettos with no way out. They are after conservative white people next.
They already have them enslaved via the ghettos with no way out. They are after conservative white people next.
Posted on 2/22/18 at 4:33 am to Beessnax
For the same reasons we transition from drugs being a crime we must crack skulls over to a medical issue we must treat when the epidemic transitions into suburban homes?
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