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Why are center-right boomers so concerned with Ukraine
Posted on 10/30/23 at 9:19 am
Posted on 10/30/23 at 9:19 am
I sort of get the left wing redditors who have been brainwashed into thinking Putin is modern day Hitler and this some holy war against "Fascism", and all the talking points that they have been fed.
But I am astounded how many older traditionally Republicans who are so interested in this war and the need to send all of our money towards that war.
Was listening to local talk radio (conservative) and boomers calling in were concerned about Ukraine not getting money with new leadership in the House. There are a number of them that live in neighborhood that still have Ukraine flags up, or maybe now Israel flags, and they are not left wing Democrats.
But I am astounded how many older traditionally Republicans who are so interested in this war and the need to send all of our money towards that war.
Was listening to local talk radio (conservative) and boomers calling in were concerned about Ukraine not getting money with new leadership in the House. There are a number of them that live in neighborhood that still have Ukraine flags up, or maybe now Israel flags, and they are not left wing Democrats.
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Posted on 10/30/23 at 9:21 am to burger bearcat
You know those could be leftists calling in pretending to be conservatives.
That happens as part of the propaganda machine.
That happens as part of the propaganda machine.
Posted on 10/30/23 at 9:23 am to burger bearcat
They were raised during the peak of the Cold War. They still think Russia can push to Le Havre if the front line falls. Fulda Gap mentality.
ETA: same kinda deal with the previous generation thinking that Japan was going to rise again and go to war against the US
ETA: same kinda deal with the previous generation thinking that Japan was going to rise again and go to war against the US
This post was edited on 10/30/23 at 9:25 am
Posted on 10/30/23 at 9:23 am to burger bearcat
These are the same folks that were taught that hiding under a desk at school could lessen the impact of an atomic bomb.
Posted on 10/30/23 at 9:24 am to burger bearcat
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center-right
Loves war.
Posted on 10/30/23 at 9:24 am to burger bearcat
Which one would you reckon cost more. WW3? Or keeping Putin busy with Ukraine? Russia cannot respond to anything going on in the middle east right now because they have their hands full. I wouldn't be so sure about that if they weren't already in a war.
Also, we are sending 25 year old equipment to Ukraine that we would have otherwise had to dispose of, it's not like we are sending our latest and greatest stuff over there unless it's for testing. Billions seems like a lot until the alternative is trillions.
edit - I'm not a boomer. I'm a 36 year old center right conservative.
Also, we are sending 25 year old equipment to Ukraine that we would have otherwise had to dispose of, it's not like we are sending our latest and greatest stuff over there unless it's for testing. Billions seems like a lot until the alternative is trillions.
edit - I'm not a boomer. I'm a 36 year old center right conservative.
This post was edited on 10/30/23 at 9:31 am
Posted on 10/30/23 at 9:24 am to burger bearcat
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But I am astounded how many older traditionally Republicans who are so interested in this war and the need to send all of our money towards that war.
Because it is the default setting of Republican to always support our government's foreign policy decisions. You know the old adage, "politics stops at the shoreline."
It's the same phenomenon with Govt agencies like the FBI. Many older Rs have a tough time actually believing that the FBI is weaponized and will only believe that there are a few bad apples.
Posted on 10/30/23 at 9:29 am to burger bearcat
Because they are still consumers of mainstream media
Posted on 10/30/23 at 9:34 am to burger bearcat
I suspect it is old Russian sentiment from the USSR days. They are used to us being involved around the world for democracy and keeping Russia from expanding.
They've seen Russia take Georgia and Crimea and see Ukraine as being the next step as Russia will move westward after Ukraine.
I don't think they fully understand the history of how the US helped this Ukraine war along, with the 2014 coup, expansion of NATO and offering Ukraine entrance into NATO. This was a big threat to Russia. So we have had a lot of influence in Russia's actions and so has Ukraine themselves with politics and military actions against the pro-Russian territories of Ukraine.
I think too many just look at Russia = bad and must be stopped and ignore all the stuff that has been happening for 15 yrs that led to this.
They've seen Russia take Georgia and Crimea and see Ukraine as being the next step as Russia will move westward after Ukraine.
I don't think they fully understand the history of how the US helped this Ukraine war along, with the 2014 coup, expansion of NATO and offering Ukraine entrance into NATO. This was a big threat to Russia. So we have had a lot of influence in Russia's actions and so has Ukraine themselves with politics and military actions against the pro-Russian territories of Ukraine.
I think too many just look at Russia = bad and must be stopped and ignore all the stuff that has been happening for 15 yrs that led to this.
Posted on 10/30/23 at 9:39 am to burger bearcat
I DGAS about Ukraine. Not exactly sure where it is on the map.
Posted on 10/30/23 at 9:41 am to Wee Ice Mon
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These are the same folks that were taught that hiding under a desk at school could lessen the impact of an atomic bomb.
Let me guess, you were born years after the cold war.
Posted on 10/30/23 at 9:48 am to rmnldr
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ETA: same kinda deal with the previous generation thinking that Japan was going to rise again and go to war against the US
You do understand the differences between modern day Japan and Russia? In addition, the US effectively neutered Japan from a military standpoint. Furthermore, having a couple of atomic bombs dropped on you probably decreases your appetite for war.
No one my age (57) worries about Japan. Neither did my father or grandfather at any given time.
Russia on the other hand still represents a threat. BTW, I'm totally against sending money or aid to Ukraine. Let NATO handle it.
Posted on 10/30/23 at 9:59 am to rmnldr
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They were raised during the peak of the Cold War. They still think Russia can push to Le Havre if the front line falls. Fulda Gap mentality.
ETA: same kinda deal with the previous generation thinking that Japan was going to rise again and go to war against the US
At least you are consistent. You are wrong. One of my first memories in life is the fear my mother had during the Cuban missile crisis. I was 2. Ukraine is Russia's interest and no one here would give a flying frick about Russia taking land that historically belonged to Russia back except our politicians get paid by Ukraine. The biggest threats to the United States are our politicians in DC and stupid mouthbreathing motherfrickers like you.
Posted on 10/30/23 at 10:00 am to jp4lsu
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I don't think they fully understand the history of how the US helped this Ukraine war along, with the 2014 coup, expansion of NATO and offering Ukraine entrance into NATO. This was a big threat to Russia. So we have had a lot of influence in Russia's actions and so has Ukraine themselves with politics and military actions against the pro-Russian territories of Ukraine.
So these boomers have a deep historical understanding of Russia, but have just completely lost track of what's going on starting in 2014?
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I suspect it is old Russian sentiment from the USSR days. They are used to us being involved around the world for democracy and keeping Russia from expanding.
They've seen Russia take Georgia and Crimea and see Ukraine as being the next step as Russia will move westward after Ukraine.
And maybe you young folk can't see that Russia (really Putin) is every bit as aggressive as the old Soviet Union but just don't have the power they had back then. And why don't they have the firepower? Because the US stood in their way.
And all the Putin's "not that bad" crowd just seems to sweep the various assassinations he has conducted while in power. He is a despot, and despots cannot be trusted.
Posted on 10/30/23 at 10:02 am to Homesick Tiger
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Let me guess, you were born years after the cold war.
No, in the early 70’s. You must admit it was silly when teachers had students hide under desks like that. Similar to the silly behaviors Covid brought about.
Posted on 10/30/23 at 10:08 am to BigJim
I’m 62. Center-right conservative.
Don’t really give a rip about Ukraine.
If we have essentially obsolete (yet still functioning) weapons, then send them to Ukraine.
Anything else, NATO needs to step up. We can’t be the top funder of Ukraines defense. We’re already paying salaries and benefits for tens of thousands of Ukrainian citizens, it has to stop.
Don’t really give a rip about Ukraine.
If we have essentially obsolete (yet still functioning) weapons, then send them to Ukraine.
Anything else, NATO needs to step up. We can’t be the top funder of Ukraines defense. We’re already paying salaries and benefits for tens of thousands of Ukrainian citizens, it has to stop.
Posted on 10/30/23 at 10:09 am to burger bearcat
Entire upbringing was surrounded by propaganda. I'm one that used to fall right in line, but Iraq war started the change in me. The last 7 years finalized it. I don't trust media or government at face value any longer.
Posted on 10/30/23 at 10:10 am to burger bearcat
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Why are center-right boomers so concerned with Ukraine
Why do Millennials and Zoomers suck Palestinian cock?
Posted on 10/30/23 at 10:14 am to burger bearcat
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But I am astounded how many older traditionally Republicans who are so interested in this war and the need to send all of our money towards that war.
I really don't know how big of a group this is. I don't think it's large.
But, those that fit the description above do so primarily because they believe sources that they have trusted for a long time.
Not everyone is capable of seeing past the propaganda that exists in the MSM.
Posted on 10/30/23 at 10:16 am to Wee Ice Mon
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These are the same folks that were taught that hiding under a desk at school could lessen the impact of an atomic bomb.
I graduated in the early 80s. We didnt do that shite.
Watched a film in elementary school and middle school, then partied until we graduated.
But clutch your Covid Mask.
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