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re: Why America was founded as a Christian nation

Posted on 4/25/25 at 12:58 pm to
Posted by Zach
Gizmonic Institute
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Posted on 4/25/25 at 12:58 pm to
There was tremendous division in the U.S. re: Christianity. We were a protestant nation for over 100 years. Catholics were a tiny minority and that came into play with debates on immigration policy, especially Ireland and Italy. Even as late as 1960 only 10% of Christian marriages in the U.S. were between a Catholic and a protestant.
Posted by theballguy
Member since Oct 2011
18184 posts
Posted on 4/25/25 at 12:59 pm to
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America was founded on Judeo-Christian values by men who believed in freedom of religion.

Many of the founding fathers believed in a higher power/God but weren't necessarily "Christian"

Thomas Jefferson
Benjamin Franklin
James Madison
John Adams
Thomas Paine


quote:

Marciano1
said Deism without saying Deism.
Posted by theballguy
Member since Oct 2011
18184 posts
Posted on 4/25/25 at 1:00 pm to
Thankfully, we don't see this as much anymore.

Catholics were targeted by the Klan even.
Posted by Rip Torn
Member since Mar 2020
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Posted on 4/25/25 at 1:01 pm to
The ignorant will claim that it wasn’t based off a few vague references to Jefferson and Franklin
Posted by TIGA 80
Larose
Member since Oct 2005
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Posted on 4/25/25 at 1:04 pm to
i bet most on this site are unaware that during the early days of this country that religious services were held in the capital as well as the executive branch and the judicial branch buildings.
Library of congress on religion
Posted by crewdepoo
Hogwarts
Member since Jan 2015
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Posted on 4/25/25 at 1:07 pm to
Freedom of religion is still freedom of religion
Posted by RCDfan1950
United States
Member since Feb 2007
37127 posts
Posted on 4/25/25 at 1:08 pm to
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Why America was founded as a Christian nation


Because the Pilgrims didn't want to bow to the King's version of Government Authoritarian Christianity. They figured there was a better way. They were right, look at England now.
Posted by N.O. via West-Cal
New Orleans
Member since Aug 2004
7551 posts
Posted on 4/25/25 at 1:12 pm to
I didn’t know that all 13 colonies required a declaration of faith, but I do know that the Constitution rejected that approach in the Religious Rest Clause:

“no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States.”

In my view, it’s more accurate to say that the US was founded by people who were mostly (but not all) Christian, all of whom were products of the Western intellectual tradition, which is shot through with Christian concepts. The founders did not, however, establish the US as a Christian nation, and they made this explicit in the First Amendment.
Posted by Zach
Gizmonic Institute
Member since May 2005
115553 posts
Posted on 4/25/25 at 1:24 pm to
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i bet most on this site are unaware that during the early days of this country that religious services were held in the capital as well as the executive branch and the judicial branch buildings.

And most don't know that all of the Ivy League colleges were founded to educate the clergy and promote Christianity. That has certainly changed.
Posted by Harry Boutte
Louisiana
Member since Oct 2024
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Posted on 4/25/25 at 1:32 pm to
Our experiment of self-rule through our representative government is a direct result of the Enlightenment. And it was the Enlightenment that finally allowed mankind to throw off the shackles of religion and to live in a world of reason. For too long we had been bound by them, but were finally free to think for and govern ourselves.

Thank God for the Enlightenment.
Posted by OWLFAN86
Erotic Novelist
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Posted on 4/25/25 at 1:36 pm to
Judeo-Christian
Posted by Cuz413
Member since Nov 2007
9100 posts
Posted on 4/25/25 at 1:39 pm to
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Benjamin Franklin


made sure to take advice from his buddy Jonas Phillips the Jew when helping mold the Constitution
Posted by SlayTime
Member since Jan 2025
1283 posts
Posted on 4/25/25 at 1:42 pm to
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Well, if it was, it's not anymore. Christianity in the western sense is slowly shrinking.


False, it is on the rise. Gen Z is slowly waking up to realize they will have to restore the Republic.
Posted by SlayTime
Member since Jan 2025
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Posted on 4/25/25 at 1:44 pm to
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Judeo-Christian


Christian.
Posted by redneck hippie
Stillwater
Member since Dec 2008
5979 posts
Posted on 4/25/25 at 1:45 pm to
The Constitution leaves out the words God, Jesus or Christianity.
This was intentional. Madison was pressured by religious leaders at the time to specifically include Jesus and Christianity in the Constitution.

It’s hard to imagine now, but Madison leaving religion out of the Constitution was considered radical at the time.
Posted by HagaDaga
Member since Oct 2020
3097 posts
Posted on 4/25/25 at 1:46 pm to
People like to think that “the People” means our founding fathers/signers. “The People” we’re the everyday citizen, who were overwhelmingly Christian and fought our wars with the Christian God on their shoulders and for His purpose.

Essentially “things didn’t have to be said or on paper” back then, since it was just apart of life forever. Engrained in them, so The People just assumed it all came from a place of God.

Not like what we are facing today, where there are college goers that don’t understand the basics of Christianity.

We need a hard turn to get back on track or we are done. Especially since we are letting non-Christians in leadership positions more and more.
This post was edited on 4/25/25 at 1:47 pm
Posted by Diego Ricardo
Alabama
Member since Dec 2020
8793 posts
Posted on 4/25/25 at 1:47 pm to
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Just wanted to get in before the first "the founders were Deists!" post.



Thomas Jefferson definitely was more in the deist camp and even wrote his own version of the New Testament that was essentially the teaching of Jesus without the miracles or focus on his true nature. However, Jefferson was certainly an outlier with a leaning toward European philosophy. I do think deism was more common in the late colonial up to 2nd Great Awakening but I imagine these more deist leaning people were still calling themselves Christian.

This is just my own amateur history/psychology/theology thought here so take it with a grain of salt. I think the rise of deism in this period was partly due to early Protestant theology like Calvinism being a bit ill-suited for psychological health. I think that is why Arminianism ended up becoming the dominant overarching structure for Christian faith. A faith that holds that the grace of God is regenerative, everlasting, but resistible leaves room for choosing to be redeemed. Whereas traditional Calvinism leads to an almost neurotic obsession with evaluating whether your character on the balance proves you are saved.

Does that describe any of our founding fathers? I'd have to become a historian and spend the rest of my life reading their saved correspondence and try to piece it together or find someone else with reputation who has already done it. I think calling them Christian is still fair because I don't think any of them would have identified otherwise if asked. What was truly in their heart? Hell, you don't know that with people who tell you they are Christian today.
Posted by Goforit
Member since Apr 2019
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Posted on 4/25/25 at 1:50 pm to
I hope there won't be a test on this later.
Posted by BarberitosDawg
Lee County Florida across causeway
Member since Oct 2013
11775 posts
Posted on 4/25/25 at 1:52 pm to
That’s right let’s not forget the Jews, They have contributed more than any other religion outside the Christians from blood to medicine and monetary wealth for our great Nation.

Antifas
BLM
Trannies
Social democrats

Not so much…
Posted by Diego Ricardo
Alabama
Member since Dec 2020
8793 posts
Posted on 4/25/25 at 1:55 pm to
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I hope there won't be a test on this later.



This was so much nicer than saying "I didn't read that crap."

Thanks
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