re: Who cares if North Korea and Iran have nuclear weapons?

Then you’re an idiot. Barrack Obama was once asked what keeps him up at night and his answer: Pakistan. Why Pakistan? Could it be because they’re the only Islamist country that has nukes? You especially don’t want theocracies to have nukes. If they think the Apocalypse is about to break out, then they’ll have no problem launching nukes for guaranteed mutual destruction.

Japan and israel

On the surface this sounds stupid, but, I suspect the rest of the sane thinking world does not want these lunatics to have nukes just as much as we don't.

Perhaps, if the US said that and also said to the EU and Arab states, This is your back yard, you keep it clean. Then maybe they would not just sit idly by while the US always gets the bad rap for looking like they are always poking our noses into other countries business. Maybe, just maybe the countries most at risk of the consequences of nuke arms NK or Iran will be forces to step up to the table.

And we can also add the caveat that if one lands near here all you bitches better run for cover.

As to Iran your simplistic naivety is overwhelming to the extent that it renders a response difficult and is in fact above my pay grade. Sorry for the frankness but your tip toeing through the tulips while in denial is either a lot like giving up or BS to push some long held political belief.

There are very real reasons both the USA and Israel along with Egypt and Saudi Arabia as well as most of the civilized Arab countries will absolutely not tolerate the thought of Iran possessing nukes. The extremists there hold sway. They hate with a vengeance the Jews, Arabs, non-believers and the USA since we help protect all three groups from their radical agendas. Should they get nukes they would deliver them either through a planned and pre-meditated rationale. Or 100% surely should they feel they have lost and on the way out the door. The leadership would feel obligated. OTOH, were the radical mullahs and their fierce support not in charge the country would likely be an ally of the USA. I know them.

The frick kind of question is this?

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Trump should say, "Go ahead with your nuclear weapons, once you develop and have them, all of the U.S. Nuclear Arsenal will be pointed toward your whole country from here on out." I mean seriously, they only use it as leverage for money, etc. Let's take their leverage away. They know good damn well not to launch their shitty ICBM's. IS this logical or would this be dumb? It just seems like we are trying to stop the inevitable. Eventually, more and more developing nations will have them. We should be more concerned with counter-measures.

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Jesus, where to start

First of all the problem isn't that Iran would risk getting their asses annihilated by firing a nuclear missile at Israel. They are not crazy

The problem is that if Iran has a nuclear weapon, Haamas has a nuclear weapon, and if Hamaas has a nuclear weapon it WILL Get used somewhere.

If Pakistan and India can keep it in their pants, I'm not too worried.

The concern is not necessarily an ICBM attackon the U..S. It’s the leverage and capability that nukesgive bad guys in other ways

You’re 100% right.

I didn’t mean to speak from an Israeli perspective but I see how the way I worded my post implies that I did.

What I meant to say was the region would be extremely unstable, given historical Arab military incompetence and Israel feeling highly vulnerable in those circumstances and likely to strike first in order to compensate for their perceived insecurity.

Any minor change in leadership in a number of those countries or a collapse of government could result in unfriendly actors choosing to utilize, now more prevalent, nuclear weapons.