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re: Whites have an unfair advantage. BIPOC communities can’t get ahead.

Posted on 1/12/23 at 10:26 am to
Posted by Powerman
Member since Jan 2004
162294 posts
Posted on 1/12/23 at 10:26 am to
Probably need to get that % with a Bachelor's degree back down to a more reasonable 20% level
Posted by BigJim
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2010
14541 posts
Posted on 1/12/23 at 10:28 am to
Nice graph, thank you
Posted by Powerman
Member since Jan 2004
162294 posts
Posted on 1/12/23 at 10:28 am to
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Simple fix: just claim that Asians (of various countries of origin) aren't BIPOC

All I know is that if an Indian guy goes to jail around here they're considered "white"
Posted by prplngldtigr
just up da bayou from down
Member since Dec 2004
6081 posts
Posted on 1/12/23 at 10:30 am to
Santorum had it correct before he was “raaaaciiiiiist”

Graduate High School
Don’t Have a Substance Addiction
Don’t Have Children Out of a Committed Relationship


Now…which groups have difficulty with these simple things?
This post was edited on 1/12/23 at 10:30 am
Posted by squid_hunt
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2021
11272 posts
Posted on 1/12/23 at 10:31 am to
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I bet if you asked those groups whether they faced racism in the US or were disadvantaged compared with white Americans, they'd say yes.

Propaganda is effective, comrade. You know what's racist? Diversity quotas in hiring. Journalists cheering about ending white people. Movies that portray whites as stereotypically stupid and dangerous. So I've faced racism, too.
Posted by WhiskeyThrottle
Weatherford Tx
Member since Nov 2017
5411 posts
Posted on 1/12/23 at 10:32 am to
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Asians are being kept systematically out of top colleges, which is an example of systemic racism against Asians.


So are whites.
Posted by Taxing Authority
Houston
Member since Feb 2010
57517 posts
Posted on 1/12/23 at 10:46 am to
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Simple fix: just claim that Asians (of various countries of origin) aren't BIPOC
Already happening. Asians are often called "white-adjacent".

My question is how do African immigrants seem to do so much better than native born African-americans?
Posted by squid_hunt
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2021
11272 posts
Posted on 1/12/23 at 10:47 am to
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So are whites

Exactly. I love that we've had decades of conscious discrimination against whites due directly to the Supreme Court and the case only shows up on the docket because it's Asians.
Posted by David_DJS
Member since Aug 2005
18199 posts
Posted on 1/12/23 at 10:48 am to
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My question is how do African immigrants seem to do so much better than native born African-americans?

The Democratic Plantation is a real thing.
Posted by Swampcat
Member since Dec 2003
10313 posts
Posted on 1/12/23 at 10:52 am to
All you people ever do is bring up the facts.
Posted by VoxDawg
Glory, Glory
Member since Sep 2012
61780 posts
Posted on 1/12/23 at 10:53 am to
Why are black folks fighting for $15/hr at McDonalds when the median income for their demographic is $17.50/hr somewhere else?
Posted by CAPEX
Member since Dec 2022
865 posts
Posted on 1/12/23 at 11:17 am to
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So are whites.


Nowhere near the extent that Asian-Americans are.

In fact, if Harvard's process was based on academics alone i.e. the lawsuit, 43% of Harvard's class would be Asian-American compared with 38% white.

Right now, Harvard's class is 40% white compared with 30% Asian. Harvard's white percentage would shrink if it were based on academics alone.

Furthermore, white Americans got a 140 SAT score boost compared with Asian Americans. How is that not giving white Americans a massive advantage compared with Asian-Americans?



The above graph is systemic racism when white Americans get a 140 point boost on the SAT for being white compared with Asians?

Posted by CAPEX
Member since Dec 2022
865 posts
Posted on 1/12/23 at 11:19 am to


Looks to me like Whites got pretty big admissions boosts compared with Asian-Americans.

Compared to Asians:

Whites got a 140 point boost
Hispanics got a 270 point boost
African-Americans got a 450 point boost

That's systemic racism against Asians, not Whites if Whites are being boosted relative to Asians.

This was a study taken for top schools in the US.
This post was edited on 1/12/23 at 11:20 am
Posted by GeauxTigerTM
Member since Sep 2006
30596 posts
Posted on 1/12/23 at 11:22 am to
Lemme go ahead and fix this chart for you to make it shoe the only stuff that anyone cares about...

Posted by Leotiger725
Member since Jan 2021
815 posts
Posted on 1/12/23 at 11:24 am to
Why do blacks deserve a 450 point boost?

Same for Hispanics.
Posted by GeauxTigerTM
Member since Sep 2006
30596 posts
Posted on 1/12/23 at 11:29 am to
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Looks to me like Whites got pretty big admissions boosts compared with Asian-Americans.

Compared to Asians:

Whites got a 140 point boost
Hispanics got a 270 point boost
African-Americans got a 450 point boost

That's systemic racism against Asians, not Whites if Whites are being boosted relative to Asians.


You seem to be arguing with yourself here. I'm pretty sure no one here thinks anyone ought to be rewarded or penalized due to their skin color. Likewise, no one is arguing that Asians seem to be penalized the most.

That does not negate the fact that relative to Hispanics and Blacks, Whites and Asians are systematically penalized.

Unless this needs also needs to be a victimization contest?
Posted by CAPEX
Member since Dec 2022
865 posts
Posted on 1/12/23 at 11:37 am to
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That does not negate the fact that relative to Hispanics and Blacks, Whites and Asians are systematically penalized.



This is like saying, Hispanics are disadvantaged compared with African-Americans.

If we're looking at advantage, we should be using the group that was disadvantaged the most as the baseline.

Therefore, if we can say that Whites and Asians are systematically penalized against Hispanics and Blacks, it's equally valid to say that Asians were systematically penalized compared with Hispanics, Blacks and Whites?

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Unless this needs also needs to be a victimization contest?


Nope.

But Harvard's own internal documents show that without affirmative action, white admits would shrink to 38% whereas Asian admits would rise to 43%.

LINK

So in Harvard's admissions process, whites would actually decrease as a percentage of the class which would suggest that they're not actually disadvantaged by affirmative action.





Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
263210 posts
Posted on 1/12/23 at 11:38 am to
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One can have a disadvantage and still succeed in America.


Race is no longer a disadvantage in America.

Posted by CAPEX
Member since Dec 2022
865 posts
Posted on 1/12/23 at 11:47 am to
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Why do blacks deserve a 450 point boost?


They don't.

I'm saying this is an example of systematic racism against Asians where they're having to score higher than Whites, African-Americans and Hispanics in the admissions process.
Posted by roadGator
Member since Feb 2009
141499 posts
Posted on 1/12/23 at 11:50 am to
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They don't.


Crazy to keep voting with your progressives loon friends then.
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