re: White Flag Republicans

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Which part of this makes socialism acceptable?

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The part where you gotta be a fricking idiot to look at politics this way. You don't stand for shite, so you fall for anything as long as it's not labeled "Democrat". Even when it's the exact same policy.

You eat shite because you not only support eating shite, you beg everyone else to eat shite with you. There by preventing any other option but eating shite. Some guy is over there talking about wanting a cheeseburger, and you call him crazy and tell him he's gonna get some nuts in the shite if he doesn't eat your brand of shite.

What you want is more status quo. More of the past 25 years that has all but destroyed our country. Republicans have been in power MORE than democrats and they don't get anything done for the people. They are the ones who fricked everyone over with the middle east wars, ruined the reputation of the GOP which lead to people like Obama get into office. Because maybe your shite isn't as sweet as you think it is.

And now your stupid fricking asses are about to do it again. Same stupid shite, neocon 2.0. Start wars, increase spending, increase the police state and create the very fricking shite that you are scared will be used against you if the democrats win. Because you gave them the power.

How about trying to stand up for something for once. You aren't winning with either party. They do not represent you, they do not give a frick about you. Start pushing for people who do.

On your fricking knees you give this country away, blaming the only people trying to save it.

16 years after passing Obamacare the Dems again ran on fixing healthcare.


Let that sink in.


Oh, and the Republicans?

crickets

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Where is the polling that shows this to be the main reason people voted the way they did?

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The polling I saw had the war in Iran being the number one issue (and the only reason chuds care about the war in Iran is because they think it's solely responsible for gas prices...turns out, we now know for a fact that it wasn't, since oil plummeted immediately following the election), but tariffs were a close number two.

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I highly doubt that every single independent said, "OMB, gas too, high no war!"

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Exit polls, almost all, say the number one issue was economy/cost of living/affordability.

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I highly doubt that every single independent said, "OMB, gas too, high no war!"

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They probably did say to themselves, "This guy, who is running this party, can't be trusted. He specifically said he wouldn't start any new wars, then he did. I've seen some stuff on the news about him profiting from his actions in the White House. He also said he would cause things to be more affordable, but everything I see in the news says we have an "affordability crisis." Plus, I'm generally just tired of all the controversy that constantly surrounds this guy.

Some version of that.

Did they then think to say, "Tranny kids yay! I want them in the locker room with my daughter! Or, socialism, higher taxes, and more regulations sound amazing! I want that!"

Probably not the first, because your average "independent" probably doesn't process culture war issues like people here do. They probably don't interpret things like that in the context of the general degradation of society, they probably figure it's something that won't affect them directly, so they don't think much about it at all.

The second sentence? Yeah, they probably did in a hazy, vague way. Because again, those words and phrases don't mean the same thing to them as they do to you. Recent polls suggest that the average below-30 voter can't articulate the difference between capitalism and socialism. They think that "socialism" means what we have now but with "free" health care and forgiven student loans. They probably are convinced that the higher taxes would never be applied to them, only "the rich" who need to "pay their fair share." They probably think about more regulations being a good thing since the MSM has done everything they can to act like Trump's cuts to the federal employment rolls have resulted in food contamination and air traffic problems and everything else they could think of.

I told y'all this back in 2024. Trump didn't win. He didn't win in 2016 either.

Both times the Democratic candidate lost. In the case of 2016, twice as many "independent" voters voted for the Green party as usual in key states. That's the only reason Trump won, and that's not my opinion, that's what the math says.

In 2024 the Democrats lost because of the economy, because they leaned so hard into illegal immigration, and because the transing issue was so much more visible.

For some reason it's impossible for most people here to put themselves into the mindset of the average voter who actually determines the election.

But y'all should try it once or twice. It can be illuminating.

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At what point did you decide surrendering to the left was a brilliant tactical maneuver?

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At what point will MAGA take on some accountability?

MAGA went from no wars and a peace President. Claiming if Kamala is elected we would have a war with Iran, to actually starting a war with Iran and driving up consumer prices?

To top it off, how many MAGA posters here said when the Iran war started, "they voted for this" when warring was never mentioned as an option in the campaign cycle?

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At what point will MAGA take on some accountability?

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I do love how smug and arrogant they were trotting out the "HE/SHE WON THE PRIMARY" line when we told them the issues with the general, and now that the chickens have come home to roost, they're mega-melting b/c the shitty candidates and policies of MAGA led to such a huge L and ignoring everything they were told the past few months.

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Will republicans ever come back in a lifetime?

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This sort of vacillation is going to continue until the party who wins realizes they weren't given an actual mandate

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Disagree a bit here. Trump was elected with a mandate to fix immigration and the economy. The other non mandate, but high expectation was to continue his foreign policy of peace making.

Immigration is better, not ideal yet

Economy and Peace were thrown out the window.