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re: What's cooler? Pronouncing "Keeev" or "Key-yev"?
Posted on 11/21/19 at 12:14 pm to fatboydave
Posted on 11/21/19 at 12:14 pm to fatboydave
In many languages, individual vowel sounds are not direct analogs of English vowel sounds. To a lesser extent, the same can also be true of some consonants.
It is often difficult for the mouth of a monolingual person to form the exact sounds. For example, Americans almost always struggle to pronounce German words which contain umlauts.
It is easier for folks who are bilingual or trilingual, because the English “muscle memory” is less strong.
My rule is to attempt to pronounce place-names (as closely as I am able) in the same way that a resident would pronounce them
It is often difficult for the mouth of a monolingual person to form the exact sounds. For example, Americans almost always struggle to pronounce German words which contain umlauts.
It is easier for folks who are bilingual or trilingual, because the English “muscle memory” is less strong.
My rule is to attempt to pronounce place-names (as closely as I am able) in the same way that a resident would pronounce them
quote:Same for PAHK-ee-STAHN
"Here we say 'Kyiv' not 'Kiev,'" Taras Ilkiv, a Ukrainian journalist ... explained in an email, "because 'Kiev' is the Russian word." It's simple: in Ukrainian, the word for the city is ???? (Knib sort of), while in Russian, it reads as ???? (Kneb sort of).
(Sorry, the forum software cannot copy/reproduce the Cyrillic script)
This post was edited on 11/21/19 at 12:35 pm
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Posted on 11/21/19 at 12:15 pm to LSURussian
quote:
I'll never forget my faux pas when I met her - I asked her if any astronauts were attending the reception
Not that much of a faux pas - That would be equivalent to not knowing the 3rd string backup cb on a PAC-12 team.
All this explosion of scientific experimenters in space these days make it hard to keep up with. I lost track completely after the first dozen or so.
Posted on 11/21/19 at 12:16 pm to AggieHank86
quote:
in Ukrainian, the word for the city is ????, while in Russian, it reads as ????.
Well that settles it
Posted on 11/21/19 at 12:53 pm to fatboydave
I heard Keeev last night and thought what the hell are they talking about and then it hit me oh they mean Key-yev....dumbasses!!!
Posted on 11/21/19 at 1:04 pm to AggieHank86
What a crock of pompous hogwash.
Posted on 11/21/19 at 1:20 pm to fatboydave
I fricked a Ukranian Swim Team member from Kiev. She pronounced it between Keev and Key-ev... one syllable, but the i and e are both distinct.
Posted on 11/21/19 at 1:38 pm to AggieHank86
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My rule is to attempt to pronounce place-names (as closely as I am able) in the same way that a resident would pronounce them
Of course you do.
Strangely you say Germany rather than Deutschland. And you say France rather than "la France". Do you call Japan "Nippon"?
In English, it is actual proper to use anglicized geographical terms for nations, cities, etc. Otherwise you sound like fricking giada laurentis with her retarded super-emphasized italian word for an ingredient in the middle of an otherwise monotone english sentence.
Posted on 11/21/19 at 1:56 pm to fatboydave
Posted on 11/21/19 at 1:58 pm to fatboydave
Keev sounds like keef, which is some potent herb.
Posted on 11/21/19 at 4:00 pm to fatboydave
About the same time Pakistan became Pock ee ston
Posted on 11/21/19 at 4:49 pm to LSURussian
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I met my first (and so far, only) American astronaut in Moscow, Dr. Katherine "Cady" Coleman.
I'll never forget my faux pas when I met her. I was standing next to her at one of those stand-and-grin embassy receptions when she introduced herself as being with NASA working on the ISS project.
I asked her if any astronauts were attending the reception because I'd like to meet one and she grinned, stuck out her hand and said, "Yes, there is........pleasure to meet you."
I felt like such a chauvinist pig I did everything but oink
In my opinion, that is a pretty minor example of male chauvinism. You could just as easily have had the nearly exact same set of circumstances with a male astronaut, and said the exact same thing.
I trained Astronaut Coleman, a class called Fundamentals of On-Orbit Maintenance I and II in Bldg. 9 at the Johnson Space Center (in the ISS mock-up) in 1999 or 2000. If I saw her today, I'd vaguely remember who she was. I'd likely just think I worked with her in my past.
I wouldn't immediately think "astronaut". In fact, of the few dozen I trained, I probably only recall (by face in, in a crowd) 10-12 of them very well.
Was your party/reception at the U.S. Embassy? Or the Embassy Dacha? Or elsewhere?
Posted on 11/21/19 at 4:58 pm to LSURussian
quote:They changed it in 1995. I grew up with the same pronunciation. I feel like when I had to relearn Qatar.
When I worked in Kyiv for six months the natives pronounced it "Kee-yev."
Posted on 11/21/19 at 4:59 pm to fatboydave
It’s pronounced key yev
Posted on 11/21/19 at 4:59 pm to mmcgrath
quote:I last worked there in 2012 and it was still "Kee-yev" then.
They changed it in 1995.
Posted on 11/21/19 at 5:05 pm to Rooskie
quote:If "cool" is proper, then this.
"Key-yev"
If mispronunciation is cool, then go with Keeeeeeve.
The Keeeeeev BS reminds me of profs pronouncing centimeter "sauna-meter".
Posted on 11/21/19 at 5:06 pm to LSURussian
I assume it’s deRussification
Posted on 11/21/19 at 5:10 pm to LSURussian
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Dr. Katherine "Cady" Coleman
Very impressive person. Thanks for the link will share it with my daughters.
Posted on 11/21/19 at 8:58 pm to NC_Tigah
I had several attendings with the "sonto-meter" bullshite.
Did we train at the same place?
Did we train at the same place?
Posted on 11/21/19 at 9:22 pm to fatboydave
“Nyet” is now “Neat!”
Posted on 11/21/19 at 9:54 pm to Ag Zwin
Ask the tall dark hair person with balls that testified today. It probably knows.
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