re: What would you say to a Yazidi woman raped by ISIS who wanted an abortion?

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I hope your sister can obtain peace in the midst of her trial and seek to please the Lord with everything she does, with repentance and humility, as all true believers should. I don't think she is evil, but she is a sinner, as we all are (especially myself). The life of a Christian is one of continual repentance, seeking to glorify God not just with our words but with our actions.

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You are truly no better then the thugs of ISIS. Seriously.

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You are truly no better then the thugs of ISIS. Seriously.

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Your hyperbole is underwhelming. To compare my religious views to ISIS without making any sort of clarification is intellectually dishonest.

Anyone familiar with ISIS who is also familiar with me and my views would not make such a comparison. To attempt to do so shows a magnificent display of ignorance.

I understand why you would do that, though. If you dared to be a bit more specific with my similarity to ISIS, the effect of your statement would be lessened.

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The fact that you would force your daughter to give birth to her rapist's child tells me exactly where your priorities are. You could give a shite about your kid, simply that fetus in her womb.

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You have a very simplistic view of things, apparently, since you think I cannot care about two people at once; it's either my daughter in this hypothetical situation or the unborn child.

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You have no clue what a rape does to a woman. Many women are destroyed by them mentally and emotionally forever, never mind someone who gets the bonus of being knocked up by her rapists.

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While I have never experienced rape, I understand (intellectually) what it can and often times does do to a woman. It's a terrible thing, for sure, but it is not death, which is what you and others are promoting for the "rape baby".

Just because I don't support killing the unborn child doesn't mean I don't get that rape is an awful thing and does awful things to the victim.

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I hope for your daughter's sake she never has to go through this because she cannot count on you for support when she would need it the most.

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There are different ways to support someone other than promoting abortion. Can't believe you are so hung up on that one option that you can't even fathom any others.

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I think the anti abortion crowd sees rape as a sex act.

Let me disabuse you of that notion.

As a man, it's important to understand what a woman might go through.

Imagine you are going about your business one day,
Someone grabs you and shoves a baseball bat up your bum. And that baseball bast grows in your bum to a grapefruit size, then cabbage size, the bowling ball size to a pumpkin size. And you have to poop it out.

Now let me ask you, if that happened to you, you would be absolutely fine with what happened and not think of being grotesquely penetrated every moment.

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Nope. I would not be fine with it at all. I wouldn't expect anyone to be fine with that.

My issue isn't with the woman, but killing the unborn child. Not sure how many different ways I can say that. You seem to think that I just don't "get" what rape is, but I do. Rape, and its effects on its victims, is a terrible and serious matter, and so is abortion. You keep focusing on the rape while I keep focusing on the abortion, because the issue isn't "how do you feel about rape?", but "how do you feel about abortion in the case of rape?"

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Short of the pregnancy killing my daughter, I would tell her she should carry the child to term.

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Dude, I hate to break it to ya but it should be clear to you why even the most zealous of pro life folks wholeheartedly and graciously endorse rape as an exception to carry out an abortion. Rape, no matter how violent or hush hush, can absolutely frick someone up and having a pregnancy from it is just a horrible reminder that goes on way too long and decreases way too much quality of life.

Besides, I would hope that you would just tell your daughter your preferred action and not force it on her.

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because your daughter is simply a breeder just like every other woman in your mind.

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Get the frick out of here with your demagouging generalizations. That is not how pro life people think. They are truly concerned about the right to life for every possible innocent life out there and consider killing a potential human being an unnecessary evil and that's all there is to it. Do they let the belief go to extremes like not even considering rape for abortion? Yes, they do but that's just a result of them letting their ideological and moral stances completely overrule any sense of pragmatism and sense of the real world.

You really want to see where people think of women as nothing but breeders? Get your arse over to the Mideast right now.

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You really want to see where people think of women as nothing but breeders? Get your arse over to the Mideast right now.

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I don't need to. We have the leader of ISIS, the American chapter right here on tiger droppings...right foo?

disgusting.

Who the hell are any of you to presume to tell a woman. Whaycto do? Arrogance

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Dude, I hate to break it to ya but it should be clear to you why even the most zealous of pro life folks wholeheartedly and graciously endorse rape as an exception to carry out an abortion.

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A lot of zealous, pro-life folks do endorse rape as an exception, but I'm not one of those. It isn't some band-wagon thing that I'm just missing out on here.

I believe that unborn children are live people and should be protected. The only case I can possibly think of where a pregnancy should not be carried to term is where the death of the mother is inevitable, and even then, I believe every possible option should be looked into prior to abortion. That is a matter of self-defense for the mother, but it is about saving her life, not making her feel better or preventing some additional psychological trauma. It's about life and death, therefore I won't change the standard just because the conception was under horrible circumstances.

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Rape, no matter how violent or hush hush, can absolutely frick someone up and having a pregnancy from it is just a horrible reminder that goes on way too long and decreases way too much quality of life.

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I have already addressed the quality of life issue. I don't agree with that as a reason for abortion, at all.

I do understand that rape is traumatic and a child conceived by it can potentially exacerbate the situation, however that trauma will exist whether a child is born from it or not, but there are alternatives to abortion, and women can and do learn to love the child for who it is, not where it came from. That isn't reason enough to kill it.

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Besides, I would hope that you would just tell your daughter your preferred action and not force it on her.

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I'm not exactly sure what I could do about it, but I would do everything in my power to prevent her from having an abortion if it came to that. Hopefully I raise her well enough to where she would understand my position on it and agree with it.

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I don't need to. We have the leader of ISIS, the American chapter right here on tiger droppings...right foo?

disgusting.

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If you haven't figured it out yet, I'm a Christian. I think Islam is an evil, false religion, so I don't think I'll be leading any Muslims in fighting for an Islamic state any time soon.

Clearly you mean I'm ISIS-esque with my beliefs, but I think everyone can see past that hyperbole.