re: What would you say to a Yazidi woman raped by ISIS who wanted an abortion?

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So because you had responsible parents you deserve to live and because a rape baby's father did something terrible it doesn't deserve to live.

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"Deserves got nothin' to do with it."

If it did, then you would have to consider the rape victim first and foremost, because she was "undeserving" of the crime.

And since you seem to like speculating about the potential future of the baby, lets speculate what the opportunity cost of giving birth to a bastard rape baby might be. What is the cost of propagating the dna of a psycho/rapist/terrorist? What additional cost must the mother pay so that you can pretend that every life is precious?

News flash. Every life isn't valuable. Sometimes lives are liabilities or burdens. Sometimes that liability is more that the support system can support. This is the reality of the world. Sometimes its better when animals/people/fetuses die.

Which is the real root of the issue as I said earlier. You don't think it's a life and I do. So we agree to disagree.

It's her fetus not yours. Butt out

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People are quick to talk about the extremes, but I'm not really interested in "what ifs" in arguments like this.

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No its not extreme; you're clearly deflecting. There are alot of women who technically can get pregnant, but have been told its probably not a good idea for them bc their body might not be able to handle the stress (for whatever reason). What do you think about those cases?

Seriously, all anti-abortion posters, answer this honestly. If your 13 or 14 yr old daughter was raped by ISIS or some terrorist member, you would go on with the pregnancy. Even if it could cause harm to her body? Please, go.

Landshark, thanks for the kind words. It's sad that with this argument, too many live in a vacuum where everything is a theoretical discussion. My sister's...and her husband's, too, don't forget....world is a day to day hell, hoping she can get through it without vomiting, curling up in a ball, the flashbacks are that horrific. She won't go for walks anymore, she carries a gun & pepper spray & a small steel rod in her purse at all times, she can no longer play the piano & she has played it her whole life, she wakes up at night in raw terror too often. etc etc etc. Yet, here, she is accused of not acting "morally" or having practiced an "evil act". Myself, my b.in-law & our father will be glad to meet face to face any POS who dares to judge my sister like she being judged here.

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This is how you can tell anti-abortion religious people don't believe their own faith.

If they believed abortion was wrong they would use their faith to steer women away from having an abortion. They would use their teachings from the bible (oh wait, the bible doesn't say anything about abortion, drats!)

Instead they force laws on people.

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I think you're coming to a false conclusion. Anyone can lobby for or support any laws they want for any reason, including personally-held religious beliefs. Christians should be steering women away from having abortions regardless of what the law of the land states. When they do, though, people like you condemn them for being judgmental busy-bodies who should keep their noses out of others' business.

Of all the laws Christians could propose that would force others to act in a more moral way (according to the Bible), abortion is one that shouldn't be very controversial, IMO. Those who are anti-abortion are usually so because they believe the unborn child is a life person and should be treated the same as a live child outside of the womb. In essence, abortion is murder, and since we have laws against murder already, those same laws should be applied to the unborn. It's not exactly the same as a fundamentalist trying to outlaw booze, which is how you are trying to frame it.

I'm also not going to get into a discussion about what the Bible does and doesn't say, but your insinuation that the Bible doesn't speak to the matter in a way where anyone can draw a definitive conclusion is incorrect. I'll leave it at that.

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You were a victim of a despicable act of crime that grossly violated your right to life and liberty

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Yep.

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but my belief that life begins at conception forces me to view any action against the innocent life inside of you as unjust punishment on a third party.

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And this is why beliefs can be dangerous, just like ISIS believing women are subservient.

As a practicing Christian, you should know that once Christ saves a person, He expects obedience. We are called to be holy as He is holy, and when we sin, we go to Him in repentance, turning away from our sins and seeking to obey once more.

I'm very sorry that your sister was put in such a position, but I don't believe that we should change our principles based on curveballs that come our way in life, no matter how traumatic they are. We should always seeks God's grace to bring us through such trials.

I hope your sister can obtain peace in the midst of her trial and seek to please the Lord with everything she does, with repentance and humility, as all true believers should. I don't think she is evil, but she is a sinner, as we all are (especially myself). The life of a Christian is one of continual repentance, seeking to glorify God not just with our words but with our actions.

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I appreciate your sentiment, but this is just nonsensical. Sorry to be so harsh, but did god's grace bring this woman to be raped?

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No. If you want to start a discussion about God's sovereignty vs. man's responsibility, I'd be glad to join in. Feel free to start a new topic