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re: What would truly useful gun legislation look like?

Posted on 4/19/22 at 4:56 pm to
Posted by LRB1967
Tennessee
Member since Dec 2020
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Posted on 4/19/22 at 4:56 pm to
Already done. Check out the Second amendment.
Posted by Matt225
St. George
Member since Dec 2019
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Posted on 4/19/22 at 5:37 pm to
Require ever household to own firearms and encourage
open care everywhere by adults....18+.
Posted by kingbob
Sorrento, LA
Member since Nov 2010
69297 posts
Posted on 4/19/22 at 5:57 pm to
Banning concealed carry (including for police)
Mandatory open carry by ALL adult citizens along with mandatory gun safety and marksmanship classes in all schools (teachers are also mandated to have a loaded gun on them at ALL TIMES
Legalized dueling
Zero restrictions on private ownership of weapons
Forbidding landowners from banning guns from their establishments unless they have both a means of actually screening entrants for weapons and providing a place for guests to check their weapons in while they’re there.

Most folks murdered outside of the home are murdered while going to or coming from an establishment where guns are not allowed.
This post was edited on 4/19/22 at 6:10 pm
Posted by MaroonNation
StarkVegas, Mississippi, Bitch!
Member since Nov 2010
22106 posts
Posted on 4/19/22 at 6:03 pm to
Loosen restrictions on lawful carry and allow them to shoot for reasons other than self defense. You rob a store and I walk in? Bam! You are breaking in a neighbors house? Bam! There’s a gang bang war going on in WalMart parking lot? Bam!Bam!Bam!
Posted by CGSC Lobotomy
Member since Sep 2011
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Posted on 4/19/22 at 6:08 pm to
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What would truly useful gun legislation look like?


Requiring every American citizen to show basic proficiency.
Posted by nealnan8
Atlanta
Member since Oct 2016
3931 posts
Posted on 4/19/22 at 7:40 pm to
So, in your opinion, is there anyone in America, who should not be allowed to own a gun?
Posted by RTRinTampa
Central FL
Member since Jan 2013
5532 posts
Posted on 4/19/22 at 8:01 pm to
Automatic death penalty for convicted felon in possession.
This post was edited on 4/19/22 at 8:03 pm
Posted by touchdownjeebus
Member since Sep 2010
26044 posts
Posted on 4/19/22 at 8:46 pm to
I am a middle of the road kind of guy, but I just cannot trust the left to enact any kind of gun legislation without trying to abuse the situation. In a perfect world, conceal carry permits, open carry, and a gun registry, sort of what we are supposed to have now. The problem is, they will only continue to push until the constitution is infringed upon yet again.

I am a middle of the road guy until it comes to the constitution. leave people's rights alone.
Posted by troyt37
Member since Mar 2008
14675 posts
Posted on 4/19/22 at 9:06 pm to
Allow me. What part of the 2A don’t you understand? Does it need to be repeated to you slowly?
Posted by troyt37
Member since Mar 2008
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Posted on 4/19/22 at 9:10 pm to
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I am a middle of the road kind of guy


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In a perfect world, conceal carry permits, open carry, and a gun registry, sort of what we are supposed to have now.


You funny…
Posted by mmcgrath
Indianapolis
Member since Feb 2010
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Posted on 4/20/22 at 11:38 am to
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Why does any law abiding citizen who just passed your background check need to be registered? You're registering law abiding citizens. They're not the problem.

I just want to make sure they still have it 5 years later (or reported it stolen, damaged, or lost in that time). Obviously this would severely limit straw purchases which account for a significant (up to 30% I believe) of the illegal gun market. This is a rule to make sure you keep your guns, not to take them away.

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Gun locks are terrible. Try getting one off without affecting the trigger or muzzle direction then try to imagine doing it under stress.

Gun safes are great but they do not deter criminals. YouTube has numerous videos showing how gun safes can be defeated in a matter minutes with just a crowbar.


A lot of guns that are stolen are the easy / soft targets. Mostly cars that are left unlocked. I bet the statistics are extremely low for guns stolen out of gun safes in homes when the gun safe isn't cheap and/ or left unlocked.

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The problem there is what constitutes a juvenile criminal record. For about 25 years now anyone convicted of a domestic misdemeanor loses 2A rights. Those crimes are not uniform and what gets one convicted in one state wouldn't have charges in another state.
This would have to cover records that otherwise go away when you become an adult. Things like assaults, break-ins, and obviously crimes involving weapons.

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So does some one who reads and studies weapons has violent tendencies?

No. This would be for the kid who writes up hit lists of their classmates or other serious issues fantasizing about violence and tortures animals... that sort of thing.

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California has assault weapons and pretty much any semi auto rifle and shotgun banned, magazine restriction to hunting capacity, registration, waiting periods, no shall issue carry, ammo buying restrictions, a handgun roster that effectively prohibits new handguns and even requires any new handgun approved must have the manufacturer remove a current handgun. They are now pushing that schools must be notified if a child lives in a home with firearms. California has just about everything gun control advocates want. Texas has none of those and both states have nearly identical murder rates.

Then there is DC. A wealthy city and area. One of the most wealthiest in the country and they have every restriction you can imagine. Only FFL is allowed and he works in the police station. You have to undergo every check,certificate to purchase, safe storage like you advocated for, no semi autos, definitely no NFA and only revolvers.
And DC is always violent city. It's more violent than surrounding areas that have less restrictions.


These are all things caused by the criminal element getting access to a huge black market of guns. This is the thing that Universal Background checks and gun registration would specifically address.

I would likewise name and shame any last legit owner of a gun that winds up in a criminal's hands and the nature of how it was stolen. Maybe the "responsible gun owners" would bring the gun in the house instead of leaving it in an unlocked car overnight if they knew their name could be tied to a murder scene.
This post was edited on 4/20/22 at 11:44 am
Posted by troyt37
Member since Mar 2008
14675 posts
Posted on 4/20/22 at 11:48 am to
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I just want to make sure they still have it 5 years later (or reported it stolen, damaged, or lost in that time). Obviously this would severely limit straw purchases which account for a significant (up to 30% I believe) of the illegal gun market. This is a rule to make sure you keep your guns, not to take them away.


Right, because nobody in the government would ever abuse or bastardize rules and regulations to fit their own agenda and purposes, right? Straw purchases are when you are buying a gun from an FFL, but buying it for another person. private sales are just that. No such thing as a straw purchase for private sales.

Posted by GoT1de
Alabama
Member since Aug 2009
5041 posts
Posted on 4/20/22 at 11:57 am to
The legislation banning more legislation could be truly useful.

Enforcing the mountain of legislation and laws already on the books could be truly useful.

Making it harder for Americans to utilize a right they were born with doesn't seem truly useful.
Posted by Bard
Definitely NOT an admin
Member since Oct 2008
57891 posts
Posted on 4/20/22 at 11:58 am to
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What would truly useful gun legislation look like?


It would look just like "stand your ground" laws.
Posted by Taxing Authority
Houston
Member since Feb 2010
62550 posts
Posted on 4/20/22 at 12:01 pm to
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I would likewise name and shame any last legit owner of a gun that winds up in a criminal's hands and the nature of how it was stolen.
Criminalizing the victim of crimes instead of the actual criminal may be the dumbest suggestion in history.

Next up, if you get hit by a drunk driver we put you in jail for not astopping the other driver for drinking.
This post was edited on 4/20/22 at 12:03 pm
Posted by troyt37
Member since Mar 2008
14675 posts
Posted on 4/20/22 at 12:19 pm to
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These are all things caused by the criminal element getting access to a huge black market of guns. This is the thing that Universal Background checks and gun registration would specifically address.


Surely you aren't dumb enough to believe that criminals will follow the law, are you? You've been around here long enough to realize the folly of your most astoundingly stupid positions, haven't you?
Posted by The Eric
Member since Sep 2008
24129 posts
Posted on 4/20/22 at 12:20 pm to
A released felon should never have a gun. Just like they shouldn’t vote.

You get caught with a gun. Lock them up. Throw away the key.

Don’t be a felon and you don’t win felon prizes.
Posted by mmcgrath
Indianapolis
Member since Feb 2010
37012 posts
Posted on 4/20/22 at 12:29 pm to
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Criminalizing the victim of crimes instead of the actual criminal may be the dumbest suggestion in history.

Next up, if you get hit by a drunk driver we put you in jail for not astopping the other driver for drinking.
It would be more like shaming the bar that served the driver before watching him drive off. Obviously we actually charge some bars when they are negligent.
Posted by troyt37
Member since Mar 2008
14675 posts
Posted on 4/20/22 at 12:33 pm to
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A released felon should never have a gun. Just like they shouldn’t vote.

You get caught with a gun. Lock them up. Throw away the key.

Don’t be a felon and you don’t win felon prizes.



Disagree. If our rights are inalienable, and in this country guaranteed by the Constitution (FWIW these days) then human beings have the right to defend themselves regardless of the crimes they committed. I would concede that this probably makes for a more dangerous country and society, but maybe that's just what the idiots in this country need to wake them up to their responsibility for their own safety and security.

It might also make people more likely to shun and ostracize judges who hand out stern slaps on the wrist to felons when sentencing, and parole boards who want to turn predators loose on society.
Posted by mmcgrath
Indianapolis
Member since Feb 2010
37012 posts
Posted on 4/20/22 at 12:35 pm to
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Right, because nobody in the government would ever abuse or bastardize rules and regulations to fit their own agenda and purposes, right? Straw purchases are when you are buying a gun from an FFL, but buying it for another person. private sales are just that. No such thing as a straw purchase for private sales.
Well, I never said "straw purchase for private sale". What should be obvious (but clearly needs to be spelled out for you) is that straw purchases would be limited as the buyer knows that they would have to show up with the gun at an FFL or sheriff office a year later to show they still own that firearm. Or they would have to file a police report that it was stolen, which would carry additional risks.
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