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re: What tariffs did France or the EU have on US imports before Trump?
Posted on 6/9/18 at 4:04 pm to ABearsFanNMS
Posted on 6/9/18 at 4:04 pm to ABearsFanNMS
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Posted on 6/9/18 at 4:13 pm to ABearsFanNMS
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The better question is why do you dislike The United States? Why not have true “free trade”?
The thing that really irritates the shite out of me are people that say the U.S. shouldn't really be concerned with a trade imbalance because we are more or less a service economy. A trade imbalance is not a big deal. The implied rational is that the U.S. really can't compete on products globally.
I say that is absolutely incorrect. If the U.S. had a much more level playing field from a tariff standpoint we would manufacture and export more products. If the U.S. can't compete on manufacturing and products, then why are our goods hit hard with tariffs in the EU, China, etc...> Makes no sense to say we can't compete and then turn around and hit us with substantial tariffs.
I get France likes its 33 hour work week but come on.
This post was edited on 6/9/18 at 4:15 pm
Posted on 6/9/18 at 4:15 pm to BeepNode
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Also, what are some unfair trade practices that the administration is countering?
I do know the Chinese steel is a big deal, especially here in Louisiana. I've been told by someone in the business that it is basically impossible for a US company to sell fabricated steel at what the Chinese sell it to LA.
This post was edited on 6/9/18 at 4:16 pm
Posted on 6/9/18 at 4:23 pm to Antonio Moss
Even the WTO... who is NO FRIEND of the U.S. says China is dumping steel on the global market at a loss. Why would they do this? Because the government is subsidizing. Why does the government subsidize?
Simply because the Chinese government is afraid of high unemployment. High unemployment leads to civil unrest and they have a lot of people already unemployed.
Simply because the Chinese government is afraid of high unemployment. High unemployment leads to civil unrest and they have a lot of people already unemployed.
Posted on 6/9/18 at 4:46 pm to BeepNode
quote:Summed up here:
what are some unfair trade practices that the administration is countering?
Posted on 6/9/18 at 4:50 pm to Tridentds
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If the U.S. had a much more level playing field from a tariff standpoint we would manufacture and export more products. If the U.S. can't compete on manufacturing and products, then why are our goods hit hard with tariffs in the EU, China, etc.
Exactly this. If the establishment globalists are so sure tarrifs don't work and will ruin the US economy, then why is every other country slapping on retaliatory tarrifs? Won't that just ruin theirs faster than ours?
Posted on 6/9/18 at 4:53 pm to Muthsera
quote:Exactly.
If the establishment globalists are so sure tarrifs don't work and will ruin the US economy, then why is every other country slapping on retaliatory tarrifs? Won't that just ruin theirs faster than ours?
Posted on 6/9/18 at 4:54 pm to Muthsera
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Exactly this. If the establishment globalists are so sure tarrifs don't work and will ruin the US economy, then why is every other country slapping on retaliatory tarrifs? Won't that just ruin theirs faster than ours?
That's an interesting point. Basically they are like "you're so stupid for raising tariffs!" followed by "we also raised tariffs".
I'm not pro or anti Trump. More of a spectator.
Posted on 6/9/18 at 4:56 pm to BeepNode
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Also, what's with the fixation on dairy? Is it a big chunk if internatinal trade? Seems it wouldn't be very suitable to ship and store it all over the world
you have zero fricking clue of how the world works. Its not a fixation on dairy, its a prime example of "free trade" not being fair or free and if you think dairy is some insignificant commodity youre a fricking moron
Posted on 6/9/18 at 5:26 pm to More&Les
I'm simply asking what percentage of trade is dairy related and whether or not health plays a roll in dairy policy. No doubt dairy farmers and foreign cheese producers are influencing policy in each jurisdiction.
In Louisiana your store could get raided by armed government employees if you sell your milk for below a certain price.
Your tears are delicious, btw.
In Louisiana your store could get raided by armed government employees if you sell your milk for below a certain price.
Your tears are delicious, btw.
This post was edited on 6/9/18 at 5:44 pm
Posted on 6/9/18 at 5:35 pm to ABearsFanNMS
The Europeans have a huge problem on there hands here. I see a condition without tariffs US farmers will put European farmers out of business. They would be dependent on Iranian LNG to warm their houses and the US for food.
This post was edited on 6/9/18 at 5:39 pm
Posted on 6/9/18 at 5:37 pm to BeepNode
There are several graphs on the previous page that answers your question.
Posted on 6/9/18 at 5:41 pm to BeepNode
quote:On average?
I'm simply asking what percentage
Overall?
Look up a couple of posts.
The EU/Mexico/China/Brazil run 270%-300% US charges.
Canada runs about 200%.
Posted on 6/9/18 at 5:43 pm to Shiftyplus1
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How can the seeming paradox of faster growth and expanding trade deficits be explained? The evidence certainly does not suggest that an expanding trade deficit somehow fuels more rapid economic growth or that a trade deficit is necessarily good for the overall economy. More plausibly, causation flows from economic growth to the trade balance. An expanding economy increases demand not only for domestic production but also for imports. It also promotes more domestic investment as businesses seek to meet rising demand and capitalize on new investment opportunities.
This is a favorite argument for deficits. We buy goods, they make capital investments so the balance sheet is a wash.
The problem is, we buy their goods and they take that profit and invest in capital, our companies, real estate, etc. Eventually they own US and the USA.
Its fine if they invest their own capital, quite another if they take our money and buy the family farm...but the argument makes good clickbait.
Posted on 6/9/18 at 5:50 pm to buckeye_vol
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Besides it wouldn't surprise me if the EU put imports on things like this due to Global Warming since Cows put a lot of methane in the atmosphere.
How does someone so stupid even find it possible to type on a keyboard and get on the internet?
Methane and climate change have nothing to do with dairy or beef. More like usable land area, cattle range. Can't milk frozen cows in Canada and the EU has very little range area. The USA and parts of South and Central America are ideal habitat for bovine creatures. The rest of the world, not so much.
Add to the usable cattle range, the factors of safety and security of the milk/beef processing. No other nation has such an extensive and wide ranging system of food safety and testing as the USA. Brazil recently got their beef banned worldwide over corruption of the limited testing overseers (a few top people got paid off to forego testing and ship unsafe meat around the globe. Paid by the ton!).
Posted on 6/9/18 at 5:52 pm to ABearsFanNMS
Abears,
My hero, its not just tariffs, but VAT/Duties/violation of international labelingshipping/packaging laws. A whole myriad of blocks to US companies.
NAFTA is a joke. Free trade on products, it hits the border, has a date code, they object to the labeling, it sits while the bureaucracy of local/regional/national clerks follow protocol and it spoils. Just an absolute joke.
Try actually shipping products and you will see the absolute matrix of blocks to stop the US from being treated FAIRLY not FREE trade.
My hero, its not just tariffs, but VAT/Duties/violation of international labelingshipping/packaging laws. A whole myriad of blocks to US companies.
NAFTA is a joke. Free trade on products, it hits the border, has a date code, they object to the labeling, it sits while the bureaucracy of local/regional/national clerks follow protocol and it spoils. Just an absolute joke.
Try actually shipping products and you will see the absolute matrix of blocks to stop the US from being treated FAIRLY not FREE trade.
Posted on 6/9/18 at 6:02 pm to C
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Canada also is a pain in the arse for frequent business travelers. Very protectionist to their work force and trying to gain income tax from people going up there.
Europe is very “protectionist” too. They often employee the Precautionary Priniciple in order to deem many American farm products too risky to enter their countries - in reality, everyone knows it’s s their way of “saving face” by protecting their inefficient farmers.
Posted on 6/9/18 at 6:05 pm to BeepNode
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I'm simply asking what percentage of trade is dairy related and whether or not health plays a roll in dairy policy. No doubt dairy farmers and foreign cheese producers are influencing policy in each jurisdiction.
In Louisiana your store could get raided by armed government employees if you sell your milk for below a certain price.
Your tears are delicious, btw.
Listen up Soy Bitch, a real gender natural fricking man is running the country (and world) now, stfu and pay attention, you're gonna want to take notes
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