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What responsibility do vaxxed people carry for immune escape and prolonging the pandemic?
Posted on 9/14/21 at 9:44 am
Posted on 9/14/21 at 9:44 am
One of the reasons it is so difficult to produce vaccines against some viruses is due to the fact that viral offspring are not 100% clones. Viral offspring are different a lot of the time. When you take a vaccine to develop antibodies against a virus and the antibodies don't recognize the virus those viruses are called mutants. Those mutants escape the your immune system and are spread prolonging the pandemic, thus "immune escape".
Immune escape is theoretically prevented by the acquisition of natural herd immunity. Natural immunity allows your immune system to recognize a plethora of viral proteins and lowers the chance of immune escape.
One theoretical manmade way to fight immune escape is for vaccine manufacturers to produce vaccine booster every 6-8 months in an attempt to match the predominate variant as a new variant arises. This is what is done for the flu vaccine which varies in effectiveness. Effectiveness depends on how well the vaccine manufacturers guess what the new virus will look like. Effectiveness of the flu vaccines has varied by year from 11% to 67% according to the CDC.
The other theoretical way to fight the virus is to attain natural immunity. Attaining natural immunity is more risky because you are making the call that your immune system is strong enough to fight the virus. I would not recommend people over 65 and people with comorbidities go this route. But other people should evaluate their risk with their uncompromised doctor to see if acquisition of natural immunity is the right path for them.
But as long as protein specific vaccines are massively disseminated it's going to put tremendous evolutionary pressure on the virus population to promulgate variants and prolong the pandemic.
Here is Brett Weinstein discussing immune escape with Joe Rogan: LINK
Immune escape is theoretically prevented by the acquisition of natural herd immunity. Natural immunity allows your immune system to recognize a plethora of viral proteins and lowers the chance of immune escape.
One theoretical manmade way to fight immune escape is for vaccine manufacturers to produce vaccine booster every 6-8 months in an attempt to match the predominate variant as a new variant arises. This is what is done for the flu vaccine which varies in effectiveness. Effectiveness depends on how well the vaccine manufacturers guess what the new virus will look like. Effectiveness of the flu vaccines has varied by year from 11% to 67% according to the CDC.
The other theoretical way to fight the virus is to attain natural immunity. Attaining natural immunity is more risky because you are making the call that your immune system is strong enough to fight the virus. I would not recommend people over 65 and people with comorbidities go this route. But other people should evaluate their risk with their uncompromised doctor to see if acquisition of natural immunity is the right path for them.
But as long as protein specific vaccines are massively disseminated it's going to put tremendous evolutionary pressure on the virus population to promulgate variants and prolong the pandemic.
Here is Brett Weinstein discussing immune escape with Joe Rogan: LINK
This post was edited on 9/14/21 at 9:48 am
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Posted on 9/14/21 at 9:45 am to GumboPot
Didn’t read. But I upvoted because SFP has gone insane.
Posted on 9/14/21 at 9:47 am to the808bass
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Didn’t read. But I upvoted because SFP has gone insane.
How so?
Posted on 9/14/21 at 9:49 am to the808bass
He has to be playing a character right now.
Posted on 9/14/21 at 9:50 am to upgrayedd
His thread is triggering some folk.
Posted on 9/14/21 at 9:51 am to upgrayedd
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How so?
He's playing into government propaganda designed to cause the public to cave in on itself in division. They foment division so that the public won't be pissed at the dictators who are screwing up this country.
This post was edited on 9/14/21 at 9:53 am
Posted on 9/14/21 at 9:55 am to therick711
i mean, SFP is a lawyer right? he's all about blaming others and accepting no personal responsibility and then running to the government to fix it so he can make a dollar.
Posted on 9/14/21 at 9:56 am to hashtag
Tyrannical governments love scapegoating.
Posted on 9/14/21 at 9:57 am to hashtag
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i mean, SFP is a lawyer right? he's all about blaming others and accepting no personal responsibility and then running to the government to fix it so he can make a dollar.
For his job it's doesn't matter what side he takes, he'll make money. But for the message board he seems to be a full blown mandater.
Posted on 9/14/21 at 9:59 am to GumboPot
It’s nobody’s fault.
Viruses do not go away before infected most of the population. They also mutate.
People need to get either get vaccinated because they think it will help them personally or not get vaccinated and take the risk. It’s a personal choice that affects no one else.
The media has no science or evidence to back up their hate on the unvaccinated. They are just trying to scream loudly enough to seem accurate.
Viruses do not go away before infected most of the population. They also mutate.
People need to get either get vaccinated because they think it will help them personally or not get vaccinated and take the risk. It’s a personal choice that affects no one else.
The media has no science or evidence to back up their hate on the unvaccinated. They are just trying to scream loudly enough to seem accurate.
Posted on 9/14/21 at 10:12 am to jcaz
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Viruses do not go away before infected most of the population.
Exactly.
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The media has no science or evidence to back up their hate on the unvaccinated. They are just trying to scream loudly enough to seem accurate.
To divide us. They want us fighting among each other. They don't want us fighting them or the politicians in DC.
Posted on 9/14/21 at 10:31 am to GumboPot
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To divide us. They want us fighting among each other. They don't want us fighting them or the politicians in DC.
They're also weakening our military, healthcare facilities, and small businesses.
if there are as many people being discharged from our military as social media says there are then buddy we are in big trouble.
Posted on 9/17/21 at 9:33 am to GumboPot
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Here is Brett Weinstein discussing immune escape with Joe Rogan: LINK
Thanks for the link. Very well done and argued podcast. Refreshing to hear rational conversation.
Posted on 9/17/21 at 9:38 am to GumboPot
Your first paragrpah basically says that because a vaccine isn't 100% effictive for one and all, we should not use it.
That is warped logic.
Even if imperfect, it's better than nothing, doncha think?
That is warped logic.
Even if imperfect, it's better than nothing, doncha think?
Posted on 9/17/21 at 9:40 am to GumboPot
I’m confused on why quarantine guidelines are different for the vaccinated.
We’ve heard that the vaccinated still get the virus but just less likely to have serious symptoms.
So per CDC standards, why are they not advised to quarantine like the unvaccinated when they’ve been exposed? Aren’t they still carriers?
Direct exposure + Vaccinated with no symptoms + No quarantine mandate per CDC = superspreader?
We’ve heard that the vaccinated still get the virus but just less likely to have serious symptoms.
So per CDC standards, why are they not advised to quarantine like the unvaccinated when they’ve been exposed? Aren’t they still carriers?
Direct exposure + Vaccinated with no symptoms + No quarantine mandate per CDC = superspreader?
Posted on 9/17/21 at 9:47 am to Eurocat
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Even if imperfect, it's better than nothing, doncha think?
What percentage of people that take the vaccine do you think have adverse side affects?
Posted on 9/17/21 at 9:49 am to SouthEndzoneTiger
I don't know.
Posted on 9/17/21 at 9:52 am to kj993
True! The whole point of quarantine is to isolate carriers to prevent further propagation into the masses. But, for some reason they have neglected the vaccinated super carriers. A conspiracy theorist would conclude they want the unvaccinated infected and punished.
Posted on 9/17/21 at 9:57 am to Eurocat
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Even if imperfect, it's better than nothing, doncha think?
if it doesn't lead to herd immunity (and may even thwart same), then i see absolutely no reason why a healthy (incl. healthy weight and not pre/diabetic) under 50 who has had the virus should be vaccinated. zero. I can think of many reasons why he or she should not.
Posted on 9/17/21 at 9:59 am to McLemore
To protect others who would be a high risk of harm who can't get the vaccine or for whom the disease would be high-risk even if they were vaccinated would be a good reason.
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