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re: What Pence did and did not do. 117 state Legislators BEGGED him... and he refused

Posted on 2/14/21 at 8:47 am to
Posted by BigJim
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2010
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Posted on 2/14/21 at 8:47 am to
Yes, by all means double down on this stupid garbage.
Posted by themunch
bottom of the list
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Posted on 2/14/21 at 8:51 am to
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No one, not even Trump or the quacks, is saying cheating produced a 7 million vote difference.


Prove this is false then.
Posted by GusAU
Member since Mar 2014
4979 posts
Posted on 2/14/21 at 8:52 am to
So, at least four (at post time) people still think Pence is a good man after Jan 6?

At least four (at post time) people believe that a good man would betray his country?

Really?
This post was edited on 2/14/21 at 8:57 am
Posted by SDVTiger
Cabo San Lucas
Member since Nov 2011
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Posted on 2/14/21 at 8:52 am to
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I didn’t vote for Biden


Of course you didnt
Posted by Jjdoc
Cali
Member since Mar 2016
55615 posts
Posted on 2/14/21 at 9:04 am to
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I thought Trump had all the evidence already?


Trump is not the states.


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And: How much time does he need to lay it out? It's been nearly 4 months.


Trump is not the states
Posted by Toomer Deplorable
Team Bitter Clinger
Member since May 2020
24857 posts
Posted on 2/14/21 at 9:06 am to
The executive branches in all of these swing states repeatedly ignored court orders, sandbagged legislative subpoenas, destroyed evidence and otherwise blatantly ignored election laws.

Likewise, the courts repeatedly refused to take the cases on procedural — not evidentiary — grounds.

Despite the MSM narrative that any claims of widespread fraud have been debunked, the reality is the many credible claims of voter fraud have scarcely been adjudicated.


Posted by jp4lsu
Member since Sep 2016
6769 posts
Posted on 2/14/21 at 9:15 am to
The state leg screwed up and shouldn't have given in to the pressures of the executives and liberals. They should have stood firm and investigated and not certify. They were scared.

The VP couldn't just unilaterally cancel the electoral votes from these states that certified their electors.

Now if the House & Senate contest those electors, that is different. If they don't, you can't expect the VP to scratch certain states unilaterally.

Otherwise a dem VP could do it as well and it would be a bad precedent that dems would retaliate with.
Posted by Jjdoc
Cali
Member since Mar 2016
55615 posts
Posted on 2/14/21 at 9:33 am to
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You are ignoring facts if you think Trump ran a good campaign. He lost that election. A better run campaign would have carried a large enough margin the cheating wouldn’t have mattered.



Horse shite.
Posted by Jjdoc
Cali
Member since Mar 2016
55615 posts
Posted on 2/14/21 at 9:34 am to
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So, at least four (at post time) people still think Pence is a good man after Jan 6?



I think Pence is a politician.


Posted by Jjdoc
Cali
Member since Mar 2016
55615 posts
Posted on 2/14/21 at 9:45 am to
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The state leg screwed up and shouldn't have given in to the pressures of the executives and liberals. They should have stood firm and investigated and not certify. They were scared.


That's not the process. You would be right if that were the process. But... it's not.

1- State Leg makes the laws.

2- The SOS (part of the Executive) is to execute those laws.

They expanded and made their own laws. Many law suits prior to the election were won because of this, but that did not stop the Democrat SOS from doing things. One has resigned already!


Both of those branches have a job to do after the vote.

1- The SOS and Gov certify the vote or can reject.

2- The State Leg has Plenary power as a check and balance. This is meant to protect the Republic from the person who counts the vote announcing a fraudulent return. The state does not certify the vote.



The VP is the person at the Federal level charged with counting the votes. It's not a ceremonial position. He is charged with making sure that there are no issues with what was sent to DC.

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Now if the House & Senate contest those electors, that is different.


It is and is not the only method.


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If they don't, you can't expect the VP to scratch certain states unilaterally.


And is not the case in 2020. Pence had before him:

1- Rep members of Congress
2- Senate Members of Congress
3- State Legislators requesting him to Honor the Plenary Power.



Posted by dchog
Pea Ridge
Member since Nov 2012
27158 posts
Posted on 2/14/21 at 9:51 am to
A career politician that has done nothing but ride on the coattails of Trump until it was time for him to do something but completely failed.
Posted by Chief One Word
Eastern Washington State
Member since Mar 2018
4254 posts
Posted on 2/14/21 at 10:08 am to
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but he still seems to be a good man.


But he still seems to be a good man to tar and feather
Posted by Fastcat
Member since Nov 2016
446 posts
Posted on 2/14/21 at 10:12 am to
I believe this is exactly the way it was supposed to turn out. This was another part of the game to wake the American people up as to how corrupt these politicians are in congress. Now with foreign countries playing in our election and with the democrats supposedly in control the people are beginning to wake up out of their dream state that they’ve been in. If you think it’s just about the United States you’re crazy. The entire world is in play with game. All hell is gonna break loose soon . I know all this sounds familiar with the wait til next month after month but I have a gut feeling the eyes of March will be big and that’s when all this will begin to explode.
Posted by bluedragon
Birmingham
Member since May 2020
9541 posts
Posted on 2/14/21 at 10:20 am to
Pence screwed up. If he accepts the challenges on six states ...Those State Legislatures go into session without the approval of the Governor or Secretary of State. Otherwise, the state legislatures cannot call an emergency on their own.
Posted by Meauxjeaux
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Member since Jun 2005
46889 posts
Posted on 2/14/21 at 10:38 am to
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I didn’t vote for Biden and I have never voted for a democrat for President and I have been voting since 76. How many of you can say that?

You are ignoring facts if you think Trump ran a good campaign. He lost that election. A better run campaign would have carried a large enough margin the cheating wouldn’t have mattered.


Dumb is one thing, but old and dumb is sad because you’re likely not salvageable.

Trump increased his voter base from the 2016 win by 10million votes and yet you say he campaigned bad. He should have grass roots canvassed voters like Stacy Abrams? You think mail-out ballots weren’t ripe with fraud? You dismiss ballot harvesting? You ignore the clear-as-day video of GA election officials running the same stack of ballots through the tabulators multiple times?

I don’t like being mean, but you’re just an idiot.
Posted by JDGTiger
Louisiana
Member since Oct 2020
650 posts
Posted on 2/14/21 at 10:53 am to
It was clear in Georgia that Abrams was organized and was getting votes in. Trump did nothing but go to rallies where his voters were.

If I had been running his campaign he would have been in Atlanta and Detroit and Philadelphia touting his record on black unemployment and black colleges and condemning property destroying riots. Do I think he could have ever carried the black vote? No but by just talking to them he could have mustered maybe five or ten percent more of them to vote for him. Biden wasn’t even out there asking them to vote for him. He was holed up letting the Abrams of the country do his work.

Trump didn’t get a single vote extra standing up at rallies in places like Macon insulting people for a couple of hours. His ego got a boost but he didn’t get a single new vote.
Posted by Jjdoc
Cali
Member since Mar 2016
55615 posts
Posted on 2/14/21 at 11:02 am to
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It was clear in Georgia that Abrams was organized and was getting votes in. Trump did nothing but go to rallies where his voters were.


Man... You are wrong. Just WRONG. And you are refusing all information which makes you willfully ignorant because of your hate yet you preach moral conservatism.


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If I had been running his campaign he would have been in Atlanta and Detroit and Philadelphia touting his record on black unemployment and black colleges and condemning property destroying riots.



He expanded his black support and had people doing just that.

Headline for you and a link:

Preliminary data shows Trump wins highest share of nonwhite vote for GOP in 60 years

LINK


You are speaking out of ignorance in this thread and your own fiscal thread.



Posted by northshorebamaman
Mackinac Island
Member since Jul 2009
38338 posts
Posted on 2/14/21 at 11:04 am to
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I have a gut feeling the eyes of March will be big
Posted by JDGTiger
Louisiana
Member since Oct 2020
650 posts
Posted on 2/14/21 at 11:14 am to
You are wrong. While it is right he got the most "non white" he did nothing in the black urban areas after pandering to them for four years with money to HSBC and the like.

Abrams did in fact get a LOT of votes out. Anything that would have slowed her down would have stopped Georgia for going blue. She will be the next governor there if the republicans don't do something about mail in ballots and remote ballot boxes. Issues Trump should have been fighting in court in September.

Standing up in Tupelo or Pensacola or Macon or wherever to get the Jjdocs of the world excited did NOTHING to win the election. Clearly with all your post you did not get him a single vote. I know for a fact some of the crap you linked caused credibility issues with Trump (not necessarily because you linked them but because they were BS all along and got social media attention in a lot of places. Bannon, for example, said some incredibly stupid things and stated them as fact with no real back up.)



Posted by CDawson
Louisiana
Member since Dec 2017
20259 posts
Posted on 2/14/21 at 11:16 am to
Lin Wood called out the traitorous Pence long before anyone else and was ridiculed for it.

Lin knows...
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