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re: What is your Position on the Border Wall?
Posted on 8/31/17 at 1:35 pm to Eurocat
Posted on 8/31/17 at 1:35 pm to Eurocat
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A country must manage its borders. Plus the lack of a wall makes people point to it (the lack of it) and say that it is proof the government does not care about the common man.
Build the wall.
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Posted on 8/31/17 at 1:35 pm to EthanL
Waste of money and resources. It will only serve as a symbol. Spend the $ on people and electronic surveillance.
Posted on 8/31/17 at 1:37 pm to EthanL
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What is your Position on the Border Wall?
DUMBASS IDEA!!
The money wasted building a wall could be used for high tech surveillance equipment and training costs for the people who would use that equipment.
Posted on 8/31/17 at 1:39 pm to DuncanIdaho
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Spend the $ on people and electronic surveillance.
You can always fire or reassign people, or instruct them not to act on what they see. You can always turn off or sell your electronics.
A wall is permanent. Once built, it's not going anywhere. That's why they are fighting so hard against it
Posted on 8/31/17 at 1:42 pm to EthanL
I've always preferred a "virtual" wall with fines for employers that hire illegals.
Remove the incentive to come and you don't need a wall.
Remove the incentive to come and you don't need a wall.
Posted on 8/31/17 at 1:44 pm to EthanL
I think a physical wall covering the entire border is a waste of money. However, I think that electronic assets and more BP agents filling those gaps is a far more efficient plan.
As far as Mexico paying, there should be a remittance tax that goes to fund BP and DHS operations.
As far as Mexico paying, there should be a remittance tax that goes to fund BP and DHS operations.
Posted on 8/31/17 at 1:44 pm to EthanL
A wall will be effective, and it is far more compassionate to the illegal immigrants already here than e-verify, which will cause many to lose their jobs.
We need to put up a wall and then decide what to do with those already here. I believe we need some kind of punishment for employers who employe illegals after the wall is up. I'm willing to compromise by letting the illegals that are already here stay, if the come out of the shadows, show that they are employed, and have not committed any felonies. Once we get them identified, we should employe eVerify and turn off the spigot with no more exceptions.
We need to put up a wall and then decide what to do with those already here. I believe we need some kind of punishment for employers who employe illegals after the wall is up. I'm willing to compromise by letting the illegals that are already here stay, if the come out of the shadows, show that they are employed, and have not committed any felonies. Once we get them identified, we should employe eVerify and turn off the spigot with no more exceptions.
Posted on 8/31/17 at 1:45 pm to EthanL
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--Had you thought about a border wall, as a singularly all-important deterrent to Illegal Imigration?
No. It has a practical effect, but is largely symbolic. It should be incorporated into a larger barrier, including walls, fences, tunnel-detecting radar, electronic surveillance, mounted patrols, dogs, checkpoints, drones, the entire package.
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--Does it hold a sacred place in the tenets of conservative values like deficit reduction, small government, tax reform, Obamacare Repeal & Replace/tort reform,and military worship does?
You can't help it can you?
Border security and maintaining the unique American culture should be, not necessarily the specific measure of "The Wall".
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--Should the country of Mexico pay for it and, if not, what is the most we should spend on it?
Yes. They have actively, aggressively and relentlessly pushed their "problem citizens" onto us for over 30 years. During that time approximately 1/3 of Mexico has relocated to the U.S. - largely illegally. The 1/3 of Mexican citizens that Mexico didn't want - unskilled, uneducated, barely literate even in Spanish. I love everybody, but we already have our hands full with unskilled, uneducated folks who are barely literate in English.
Posted on 8/31/17 at 1:47 pm to Kentucker
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Illegal aliens pouring over the borders has been the single most frustrating issue for me as an adult. Why is it even a political issue? They're illegal, for frick's sake! That makes them criminals. All of them.
Logically indefensible arguments have to be made social issues
Posted on 8/31/17 at 1:47 pm to udtiger
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A wall is permanent. Once built, it's not going anywhere. That's why they are fighting so hard against it
Are you saying that the next democrat POTUS can't simply have it torn down? Are you making that argument while trump does everything in his power to reverse every single thing obama did during his term
Posted on 8/31/17 at 1:48 pm to EthanL
I still want the wall to be built asap.
"Yes" is the answer to all of your other questions.
"Yes" is the answer to all of your other questions.
Posted on 8/31/17 at 1:51 pm to EthanL
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Had you thought about a border wall, as a singularly all-important deterrent to Illegal Imigration?
Not singular, but important and effective deterrent. Would need some supplemental efforts as well.
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Does it hold a sacred place in the tenets of conservative values like deficit reduction, small government, tax reform, Obamacare Repeal & Replace/tort reform,and military worship does?
For me, politics are not sacred, only necessary.
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Should the country of Mexico pay for it and, if not, what is the most we should spend on it?
If it is built, they will pay, if only with lost dollars sent back by those who are here illegally.
Posted on 8/31/17 at 1:51 pm to Jeff Boomhauer
Shitty post
Posted on 8/31/17 at 1:56 pm to Jeff Boomhauer
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Are you saying that the next democrat POTUS can't simply have it torn down? Are you making that argument while trump does everything in his power to reverse every single thing obama did during his term
To be fair, all Trump needed to do that was an eraser, or maybe a little white out.
Getting OTHER people to do something for you, like tearing down a huge brick wall (or building it), might be more difficult. But maybe Mexico will pay for that to.
This post was edited on 8/31/17 at 1:57 pm
Posted on 8/31/17 at 1:56 pm to Jeff Boomhauer
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Are you saying that the next democrat POTUS can't simply have it torn down?
Yes. Tearing it down would be politically suicidal. To tear down the wall would be tantamount to telling the people that they want open borders. They may, in fact want open borders, but they can't say so, at least not now.
Even if they say the wall is ineffective, there would be no reason to tear it down. The best they will be able to do is look the other way while people climb over it.
Posted on 8/31/17 at 1:57 pm to EthanL
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What is your Position on the Border Wall?
I'm partial to the pile driver, the wife prefers reverse cowgirl.
Posted on 8/31/17 at 1:58 pm to Green Chili Tiger
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the wife prefers reverse cowgirl.
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Posted on 8/31/17 at 2:00 pm to EthanL
North of it
Posted on 8/31/17 at 2:00 pm to EthanL
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What is your Position on the Border Wall?
It's needed as a deterrent to future open borders Presidents and Congresses as well and a message to make sure they never neglect our borders ever again or at least try to get more illegals into this country.
Posted on 8/31/17 at 2:01 pm to EthanL
It is a wasteful remedy to a problem that could be easily solved other ways, but won't be. Thus, a wall is the most effective probable partial solution to the illegal immigration issue.
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