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re: What is your elevator pitch to be conservative
Posted on 1/12/21 at 12:00 pm to burger bearcat
Posted on 1/12/21 at 12:00 pm to burger bearcat
The only actual conservatives left are libertarians and they're pushed so far to the fringe by Republicans it's hard to tell what you're actually asking for.
Was Trump conservative? Not really. Is the GOP conservative? Not at all.
So who are we talking about.
Was Trump conservative? Not really. Is the GOP conservative? Not at all.
So who are we talking about.
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Posted on 1/12/21 at 12:01 pm to burger bearcat
Progressives believe that people are inherently flawed and need government to protect them from making their own decisions, but government is literally made up of flawed people who have a monopoly on force. So, to protect flawed people from themselves, we need to give other flawed people power over them? The reality is that most people are rational to the best of their abilities. They want most of the same things for them and their families: honest work, honest pay, a decent school for their kids, healthcare when they get sick, to feel reasonably safe to walk the streets and sleep in their homes, for the lights to come on when they flip the switch, for clean water to flow when they turn the faucet, for the trash to get picked up on a semi-regular basis, and for the police and fire departments to come when called. The debates are over how best to make this happen and how to pay for it.
If the government didn’t pay for schools, would you pay for it? If government didn’t pay for healthcare, parks, fire, water, etc, would you? The reality is that anything you would still pay for without government, someone would provide without government. Anything you wouldn’t pay for, is probably not worth the government paying it. If you would feel sad seeing people fall through the cracks without government assistance, would you not donate to a charity to help them yourself? If you would, wouldn’t others? So why is an inefficient, bloated, monopolistic government in charge of “helping”? Competition for your dollar always drives innovation and better service. A government with a monopoly on force doesn’t have competition in its territory, and thus has no need to respond to “customer” preferences or supply/demand.
Finally, every regulation on a business creates a barrier to do business and make a living. Some are absolutely worthwhile, but every barrier does not impact every business equally. The larger the business, the smaller the percent of their overhead is needed to manage their regulatory burden and clear barriers. Smaller businesses don’t have enough workers or overhead to afford people to have clearing those barriers be a full time job. So, every requirement made of business increases the advantages big businesses have over small businesses. Without government interference, monopolies and cartels cannot form nor can they persist long term. So, remember that the interests of the public must always be leveraged with the interests of the small business, because once you increase the hurdles enough, the small businesses die, the big businesses feast, and you’re left with cartels who have no reason to innovate or respond to consumer tastes.
If the government didn’t pay for schools, would you pay for it? If government didn’t pay for healthcare, parks, fire, water, etc, would you? The reality is that anything you would still pay for without government, someone would provide without government. Anything you wouldn’t pay for, is probably not worth the government paying it. If you would feel sad seeing people fall through the cracks without government assistance, would you not donate to a charity to help them yourself? If you would, wouldn’t others? So why is an inefficient, bloated, monopolistic government in charge of “helping”? Competition for your dollar always drives innovation and better service. A government with a monopoly on force doesn’t have competition in its territory, and thus has no need to respond to “customer” preferences or supply/demand.
Finally, every regulation on a business creates a barrier to do business and make a living. Some are absolutely worthwhile, but every barrier does not impact every business equally. The larger the business, the smaller the percent of their overhead is needed to manage their regulatory burden and clear barriers. Smaller businesses don’t have enough workers or overhead to afford people to have clearing those barriers be a full time job. So, every requirement made of business increases the advantages big businesses have over small businesses. Without government interference, monopolies and cartels cannot form nor can they persist long term. So, remember that the interests of the public must always be leveraged with the interests of the small business, because once you increase the hurdles enough, the small businesses die, the big businesses feast, and you’re left with cartels who have no reason to innovate or respond to consumer tastes.
Posted on 1/12/21 at 12:01 pm to jonnyanony
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The only actual conservatives left are libertarians
LOL.
Posted on 1/12/21 at 12:06 pm to kingbob
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Progressives believe that people are inherently flawed and need government to protect them from making their own decisions, but government is literally made up of flawed people who have a monopoly on force. So, to protect flawed people from themselves, we need to give other flawed people power over them?
dude, this applies to conservatives, too
i'm not being an edge lord here, but go to some really conservative areas. they love some government control
Posted on 1/12/21 at 12:07 pm to burger bearcat
My nephew was a Marxist whose only reading was Howard Zinn. He worked odd jobs until age 30 and told me that govt should just give people 'who just aren't cut out for work' a guaranteed annual income. Capitalism just exploits people. This also caused him to be single because most pretty women aren't attracted to that future. I could not change his attitude with logical argumentation.
Then his hobby caused him to accidentally fall into a very lucrative profession. He was shocked at how much money the govt took out of his high income. He's now a centrist. He landed a wife and has a kid.
Then his hobby caused him to accidentally fall into a very lucrative profession. He was shocked at how much money the govt took out of his high income. He's now a centrist. He landed a wife and has a kid.
Posted on 1/12/21 at 12:15 pm to SlowFlowPro
Hence why I’m not a conservative, but lean libertarian.
Posted on 1/12/21 at 12:16 pm to Mo Jeaux
You're going to sell someone on "conservatism" by touting record deficit spending?
ok
ok
Posted on 1/12/21 at 12:18 pm to burger bearcat
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If you had to convince a person from a group that would normally vote blue all the time such as a minority, single mother, gay/trans, urban dweller, government worker, muslim, someone on welfare... why conservative policies work even for them... what is the best pitch?
Show them burger bearcat's hot takes on the TD poliboard.
Posted on 1/12/21 at 12:20 pm to burger bearcat
Go to the DMV, and then go to a Chick-fil-a.
Woke bastards want the DMV everywhere.
Woke bastards want the DMV everywhere.
Posted on 1/12/21 at 12:21 pm to burger bearcat
" Hey, you can say stupid, dishonest stuff all the time and nobody will notice. AND, no matter how badly you lose an election, you just lie about it!"
Posted on 1/12/21 at 12:24 pm to burger bearcat
What is the best way to run your household?
We should run the government the same way.
We should run the government the same way.
Posted on 1/12/21 at 12:25 pm to burger bearcat
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If you had to convince a person from a group that would normally vote blue all the time such as a minority, single mother, gay/trans, urban dweller, government worker, muslim, someone on welfare... why conservative policies work even for them... what is the best pitch?
The best pitch had been fiscal responsibility. The GOP seems to have abandoned that in recent years.
Posted on 1/12/21 at 12:27 pm to jonnyanony
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You're going to sell someone on "conservatism" by touting record deficit spending?
ok
I don't want to sell anyone on "conservatism".
Posted on 1/12/21 at 12:28 pm to JudgeHolden
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The GOP seems to have abandoned that in recent years.
Recent?
Posted on 1/12/21 at 12:31 pm to Mo Jeaux
frick you you fricking liberal
Meow about that and when in the world will anyone need an elevator speech to prove conservative? You can almost smell it
Meow about that and when in the world will anyone need an elevator speech to prove conservative? You can almost smell it
Posted on 1/12/21 at 12:32 pm to HailToTheChiz
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They have to experience poor policies themselves to be turned off.
A large number of them do....and still try it again.
Posted on 1/12/21 at 12:32 pm to Uncs
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frick you you fricking liberal
I'm not a liberal, at least not in the way that you're thinking.
Posted on 1/12/21 at 12:32 pm to burger bearcat
Conservatism is awful. Conservatives gave us Bushes, McCain, Romney, two wars in the Middle East and the PATRIOT Act.
Enough with conservatism and liberalism. I want populism. Trump, a right-wing populist, is a huge threat to the Republicans and Democrats.
So, here's my elevator pitch for some populist ideas I support. Here's 10 I can think of off the top of my head.
1) No more wars/foreign intervention. We're not sending trillions of dollars and the lives of 20-year-olds to die on sand in the Middle East. War is obscenely costly. Spend the resources on complete energy and manufacturing independence. Reliance on foreign oil puts us in a spot of weakness.
2) Investment in renewable energy. Following up on the previous. It's more expensive than fossil fuels, but less expensive than war and we can't use fossil fuels forever. They'll run out.
3) Subsidies for American manufacturing. While energy independence helps us with Middle East geopolitics, we are still heavily dependent on China. We need to move away from that and support manufacturing in the United States.
4) An increased minimum wage. Wages have not risen in proportion to cost of living over the past 30 years. Workers on minimum wage will get the money; they get it from government programs paid for by taxpayers. This essentially serves as a corporate subsidy. Taxpayers shouldn't have to foot the bill because companies won't their employees a livable wage.
5) End of self-employment tax. A common argument against an increased minimum wage is that it hurts small businesses. Removing the self-employment tax will help compensate.
6) Medicare for all. It's easy to defend private insurance by saying "I don't want to pay for other people's healthcare", but you're paying for it anyway. Insurance produces nothing, yet they take their cut. The current model requires insurance companies to pay out a certain percent of revenue (80% iirc). If I'm the CEO and I want to make a extra million, my only option is to send out an extra 4 million while I raise premiums by a total of 5 million. The current system is set up to have insane healthcare costs, useless tests, and ridiculous premiums/deductibles.
7) Criminal justice reform. Prison labor should be required. The inmate would be allowed to keep a certain amount which would be placed in an account given to them upon release. Many inmates, once in the prison system, get caught in a cycle where they don't have options upon release and go right back to crime. Most are repeat offenders. Work is good and will help to give an inmate a head start upon parole.
8) No more wokeness Critical race theory, white privelege, systemic racism, internalized sexism, etc. It's past time to ditch all of this garbage. It started in the early 2010s when people were getting too fed up with Wall Street and the billionaires, so they had to find a way to get us fighting with each other so they could run off with all the fricking money. Moreover, these populist ideas would help minorities as well, because many are overrepresented in minimum wage positions and in the prison system. So, these are actual solutions to "social justice" that don't involve everyone being at each other's throats all the time.
9) Nationalize the Federal Reserve The debt is an impossible problem, because the creation of money is the creation of debt. Americans shouldn't pay interest to use the economy. End central banking.
10) Non-profit payment processors Credit card companies and payment processors such as PayPal get a percentage of each transaction. Set up a payment processor that is free and works for the people first.
You can easily see that the implementation of these ideas would mean huge trouble for the global elites.
Enough with conservatism and liberalism. I want populism. Trump, a right-wing populist, is a huge threat to the Republicans and Democrats.
So, here's my elevator pitch for some populist ideas I support. Here's 10 I can think of off the top of my head.
1) No more wars/foreign intervention. We're not sending trillions of dollars and the lives of 20-year-olds to die on sand in the Middle East. War is obscenely costly. Spend the resources on complete energy and manufacturing independence. Reliance on foreign oil puts us in a spot of weakness.
2) Investment in renewable energy. Following up on the previous. It's more expensive than fossil fuels, but less expensive than war and we can't use fossil fuels forever. They'll run out.
3) Subsidies for American manufacturing. While energy independence helps us with Middle East geopolitics, we are still heavily dependent on China. We need to move away from that and support manufacturing in the United States.
4) An increased minimum wage. Wages have not risen in proportion to cost of living over the past 30 years. Workers on minimum wage will get the money; they get it from government programs paid for by taxpayers. This essentially serves as a corporate subsidy. Taxpayers shouldn't have to foot the bill because companies won't their employees a livable wage.
5) End of self-employment tax. A common argument against an increased minimum wage is that it hurts small businesses. Removing the self-employment tax will help compensate.
6) Medicare for all. It's easy to defend private insurance by saying "I don't want to pay for other people's healthcare", but you're paying for it anyway. Insurance produces nothing, yet they take their cut. The current model requires insurance companies to pay out a certain percent of revenue (80% iirc). If I'm the CEO and I want to make a extra million, my only option is to send out an extra 4 million while I raise premiums by a total of 5 million. The current system is set up to have insane healthcare costs, useless tests, and ridiculous premiums/deductibles.
7) Criminal justice reform. Prison labor should be required. The inmate would be allowed to keep a certain amount which would be placed in an account given to them upon release. Many inmates, once in the prison system, get caught in a cycle where they don't have options upon release and go right back to crime. Most are repeat offenders. Work is good and will help to give an inmate a head start upon parole.
8) No more wokeness Critical race theory, white privelege, systemic racism, internalized sexism, etc. It's past time to ditch all of this garbage. It started in the early 2010s when people were getting too fed up with Wall Street and the billionaires, so they had to find a way to get us fighting with each other so they could run off with all the fricking money. Moreover, these populist ideas would help minorities as well, because many are overrepresented in minimum wage positions and in the prison system. So, these are actual solutions to "social justice" that don't involve everyone being at each other's throats all the time.
9) Nationalize the Federal Reserve The debt is an impossible problem, because the creation of money is the creation of debt. Americans shouldn't pay interest to use the economy. End central banking.
10) Non-profit payment processors Credit card companies and payment processors such as PayPal get a percentage of each transaction. Set up a payment processor that is free and works for the people first.
You can easily see that the implementation of these ideas would mean huge trouble for the global elites.
Posted on 1/12/21 at 12:38 pm to self_service
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So, here's my elevator pitch for some populist ideas I support.
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4) An increased minimum wage.
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6) Medicare for all.
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9) Nationalize the Federal Reserve
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10) Non-profit payment processors
Posted on 1/12/21 at 12:38 pm to burger bearcat
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Trying to take the focus away from Trump or Biden or some specific person or party.
If you had to convince a person from a group that would normally vote blue all the time such as a minority, single mother, gay/trans, urban dweller, government worker, muslim, someone on welfare... why conservative policies work even for them... what is the best pitch?
Reverse the debate and ask them to tell you why they are liberal and break them down item by item.
This post was edited on 1/12/21 at 12:41 pm
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