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re: What is the answer to gun violence?

Posted on 6/23/22 at 7:16 am to
Posted by dgnx6
Baton Rouge
Member since Feb 2006
68926 posts
Posted on 6/23/22 at 7:16 am to
Well in a place like Nola the people committing gun violence usually have several arrests on their records before they are 18.
This post was edited on 6/23/22 at 7:17 am
Posted by VADawg
Wherever
Member since Nov 2011
45067 posts
Posted on 6/23/22 at 7:18 am to
Treating 15 year olds like they don't know right from wrong when they're killing someone or stealing a car is a huge issue too. Violent crime is violent crime, no matter if the offender is 15 or 45.
Posted by Nosevens
Member since Apr 2019
10414 posts
Posted on 6/23/22 at 7:19 am to
Prisons , more of them and in deplorable conditions. Make it work not a place to pump iron and sit around
Posted by Bard
Definitely NOT an admin
Member since Oct 2008
51809 posts
Posted on 6/23/22 at 7:20 am to
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What is the answer to gun violence?


Start blaming the shooter and stop blaming the gun.

Blaming the gun does two things:

1. It removes focus from the shooter

2. It subtly excuses the shooter from their actions

A firearm is an inanimate object, it can't force anyone to use it nor can it mandate how it will be used. It's like blaming hammers for faulty construction or the beer (or car) for someone dying due to being hit by a drunk driver.



To assess the problem you have to first look at the root cause, not the symptom. We can figure this out with some basic questions:

-What group is doing the majority of these shootings?
---Young males

-What is it that the majority of the members of this group have in common?
---Lack of positive father figure active in their life

Look at Adam Lanza (Sandy Hook), no contact with his father for two years. Ramos (Uvalde) was living with his grandmother because his mother was too much of an addict and his father was fairly absent (from what little I have been able to find). Blacks have the highest level of fatherlessness...



So if this theory is true then we should see a rate of shootings by young, black males which is higher than any other group.

And that's exactly what we find.

quote:

Data for juvenile crimes - 2019:

Murder and nonnegligent manslaughter:
Black: 860
White: 410


Weapons (carrying, possessing, etc.):
Black: 16,080
White: 8,940


Now keep in mind that the black population is only ~12%-~13% of the total population yet it commits ~50% of total homicides and ~38% of all violent crime each year. Most of this is done by young, black males with most of them coming from fatherless homes. These kids are also very likely to create more fatherless children, thus exacerbating the problem.

And focusing on guns doesn't do dick to fix this.

The reason people (especially government) doesn't focus on this is because it's not an easy fix. You can't just outlaw "being a bad father" then pat each other on the back for a job well done, pose for pictures and then call it a day.
Posted by LRB1967
Tennessee
Member since Dec 2020
15851 posts
Posted on 6/23/22 at 7:22 am to
The media needs to quit making mass shooters famous. The desire for fame at any cost plays a part in mass shootings.
Posted by Robin Masters
Birmingham
Member since Jul 2010
29994 posts
Posted on 6/23/22 at 7:25 am to
3rd leading cause of death is medical mistakes.

Just fyi.
Posted by VolcanicTiger
Member since Apr 2022
5933 posts
Posted on 6/23/22 at 7:28 am to
quote:

What is the answer to gun violence?

Disarm Democrats - end 99% of gun violence.
Being Democrats, they should want fewer guns and fewer gun deaths, at least the way they tell it.
Being Democrats, they don't want to disarm themselves, they want everyone else to be disarmed (see also: climate change, living among minorities/illegals, attracting the homeless to their places of business, mask mandates).
Being Democrats, they will be more dangerous to an unarmed, wealthy nation than all the gun violence squared.
Posted by WhereisAtlanta
Member since Jun 2016
847 posts
Posted on 6/23/22 at 7:28 am to
Legalize drugs, almost all gun violence and the funds used to support it go away immediately, the rest of it is just a statistical anomaly.
Posted by bamacoullion
Fayette, Alabama
Member since Oct 2008
1776 posts
Posted on 6/23/22 at 7:29 am to
Not concerned about KNIFE violence or HAMMER violence or BASEBALL BAT violence? You get my drift?
Posted by Smokeyone
Maryville Tn
Member since Jul 2016
16104 posts
Posted on 6/23/22 at 7:32 am to
The answer:

Decide who we are. If we are free nation of laws then we should accept that laws will be broken and punishment needs to be swift and harsh. No more SJW crap, no more “dindu nuffin” BS, you do the crime you do the time. And we need to add to the capital crimes list. Sexual crimes against children (under 15) need to be on the capital punishment list, 2 sex crimes for over 15 need to be a capital crime. Murder in the 1st or second degree needs to be a capital crime. Violent crime 3rd offense needs to be a capital offense. Drug offenses 3rd conviction needs to result in capital punishment. Any combination of crimes that can result in capital punishment needs to result in capital punishment on the 3rd offense (example: a rape, a violent crime, and a drug crime would equal 3 potential capital offenses and result in capital punishment).

Or we maintain the downward trajectory we are on with political correctness, SJW tripe, and “it’s not their fault” and we Balkanize.
Posted by Sundance
Shreveport
Member since Jan 2007
445 posts
Posted on 6/23/22 at 7:39 am to
"Gun" violence is a pc term, a political term, a Dem (wit) term. The phrase should be CRIMINAL VIOLENCE!
We cannot have a country, society, civilization without rules and laws and enforcement.
Sadly, what we have not is the edge of anarchy with criminals controlling the streets.
:violin: :violin: :violin:
Posted by m2pro
Member since Nov 2008
28639 posts
Posted on 6/23/22 at 7:40 am to
Improve the moral fabric of our country. Stop allowing the global enemies we have to influence our media and make us weird, weak, dysfunctional and easy to divide.

Improve the family unit above all else.

Gun legislation will do 0 to stop gun violence. Only full confiscation will work to that end, if you don't care about the people that will die defending 2A.

Legislation only works to chip away at 2A. That is its sole hope.
Posted by Lutcher Lad
South of the Mason-Dixon Line
Member since Sep 2009
5790 posts
Posted on 6/23/22 at 8:10 am to
Bringing back the death penalty is a starter...the "real" death penalty, not the one where we feel it is inhumane or where a murderer is still breathing good air some 30 or 40 years later.
And when a mass shooter goes on a rampage, it should be a policy where we take no prisoners! His or her only way out should be in a body bag, preferably a head shot!
Stop all this nonsense with a fictitious movement like BLM! The founders of this fake-assed movement have been corrupted by greed and power. All this came in the wake of the George Floyd incident and the country has yet to recover from this spiralling effect.
This post was edited on 6/23/22 at 8:11 am
Posted by squid_hunt
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2021
11272 posts
Posted on 6/23/22 at 8:12 am to
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I am a lifelong Republican, having registered Republican when I was 18, some fifty plus years ago. I have NEVER voted for a Democrat and even voted for Duke over…..not even going to post his name. I do not own a firearm and honestly, other than pellet guns when I was a youngster, have never fired a gun.

"Please allow me to give you my bona fides before I undermine everything I claim to stand for. I am legit. Trust me."

This is the new woke six year old trope.
Posted by Wednesday
Member since Aug 2017
15466 posts
Posted on 6/23/22 at 8:21 am to
There are only 2 solutions:

1- pay more attention to the emotional and developmental needs of young men, and develop societal policies that reinforce the nuclear family. This begins with the cessation of male shaming 8’ education including but not limited to- trying to force females into spheres that men naturally prefer, a greater focus on sports and other means to allow boys to exert themselves physically, and curriculum in schools that addresses the ways that boys learn differently than girls (ex renewed focus on competition as opposed to always collaborating- which is how girls learn), reading materials focused on things that interest boys.

2-the return to more traditional gender roles will take at least a generation. So, in the meantime- stiffer penalties for gun crimes of all types including stiffer penalties for crimes of violence when committed with a firearm, and convicted felons found in possession of firearms.
Posted by btrcj
Baton Rouge
Member since Mar 2019
629 posts
Posted on 6/23/22 at 9:30 am to
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The media needs to quit making mass shooters famous. The desire for fame at any cost plays a part in mass shootings.


I believe this is the BIGGEST part of the cause of mass shootings. These individuals are loners, mental and have no support structure. They want notoriety and the media provides it for them. Whenever a shooting happens the media is 24/7 for days.

I for one do not what to know anything about a shooter except if they are no longer breathing.
Posted by LakeCharles
USA
Member since Oct 2016
5067 posts
Posted on 6/23/22 at 11:10 am to
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What is the answer to reduce these gun related incidents

Somewhere I read that 6% of the population is responsible for more than 50% of the crime. The 6% needs to be taken out of general society before talking about any other fixes.

Posted by catholictigerfan
Member since Oct 2009
56113 posts
Posted on 6/23/22 at 11:20 am to
Permitted concealed carry owners are the most law abiding citizens.

LINK

Id imagine the dems would suggest differently. But there are plenty of law abiding citizens who carry weapons. Imagine how much better things would go if law abiding citizens were allowed to carry weapons, instead of gun free areas.
Posted by Samso
nyc
Member since Jun 2013
4735 posts
Posted on 6/23/22 at 11:26 am to
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This post was edited on 6/23/22 at 11:27 am
Posted by SammyTiger
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2009
66847 posts
Posted on 6/23/22 at 11:29 am to
The problem is that guns make it very easy for people to kill other people.

It’s a means to an ends for sure, but it’s a very easy means.

It’s why armies aren’t armed with guns and not piano wires and bathtubs even though all of these things can be used to kill people.
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