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re: What Is Society’s Responsibility When the Foster System Fails?
Posted on 7/14/25 at 10:08 am to VoxDawg
Posted on 7/14/25 at 10:08 am to VoxDawg
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What? The government doesn't do things as well or as efficiently as the private sector???
The foster care system is largely "private sector." It's funded publicly but kids generally don't go to state-run institutions. Private families/households take these kids in.
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Posted on 7/14/25 at 10:09 am to 4cubbies
You're shocked that progressive views on gender, gender roles, family composition, and sexual norms cannot sustain a healthy/functioning society?
This post was edited on 7/14/25 at 10:10 am
Posted on 7/14/25 at 10:09 am to Padme
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do you only see government as a solution?
I asked for solutions in the OP. This isn't a fishing exhibition.
Posted on 7/14/25 at 10:09 am to 4cubbies
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I don't think Christians get to play a part in this as much anymore.
What do you mean "get to"?
I did a quick google... here's what I found
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Faith-based organizations (FBOs), including churches, have faced challenges and changes in their role within the foster care system due to evolving regulations and legal interpretations.
While FBOs have historically played a significant part in providing foster care and adoption services, some have been forced to discontinue these services due to requirements that conflict with their religious beliefs.
These conflicts often center around issues of same-sex couple placement and gender identity affirmation.
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Regulations and Religious Beliefs: Some states have implemented regulations requiring all child welfare agencies, including FBOs, to place children with same-sex couples or affirm a child's self-determined identity, regardless of the agency's religious beliefs.
Consequences for FBOs: These regulations have led to FBOs, like Catholic Charities in Illinois, to end their foster and adoption contracts with the state rather than violate their religious tenets.
Food for thought...
Posted on 7/14/25 at 10:09 am to 4cubbies
The world is a brutal and fallen place and the responsibility to make it a better place falls on us individually as people. Passing that responsibility off to the government will never work because the government is not a caring entity. It is the people and the churches whose responsibility it is to be charitable.
Posted on 7/14/25 at 10:10 am to Prodigal Son
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Personal responsibility and accountability is the answer. There is none- and that’s the real problem.
Here is the problem people like 4cubbies blame the system and these people become the victims. These victims blame everyone else and 4cubbies libes throw irreverent terms like systematic racism and white Supremacisy and the cycle continues for another generation. Plenty of successful minorities out there but liberals and MSM play the victim card constantly. How has that victim card played out for the minorities that choose to embrace it? Highest murder rates, highest unemployment, highest single mother homes all because its a CULTURE that embraces give us free shite. Successful black people are successful just like white people when you embrace having fathers in the home, education, and a willingness to work.
Posted on 7/14/25 at 10:10 am to 4cubbies
One of the problems is that years ago, the government, by design, decided to destroy the nuclear family structure and replace fathers with government assistance. Now, the government incentivizes women to have multiple children out of wedlock by providing them financial goodies. Couple this with the destruction of the education system though government public schools and you have a recipe for disaster.
Anything done after the fact to fix the problem is a bandaid that doesn’t address the root issues.
Anything done after the fact to fix the problem is a bandaid that doesn’t address the root issues.
Posted on 7/14/25 at 10:11 am to SallysHuman
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I did a quick google... here's what I found
Oh gotcha. Private Christian families are still free to adopt. I can see how it would get hairy for a FBO to get involved, though.
Posted on 7/14/25 at 10:11 am to 4cubbies
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What Is Society’s Responsibility When the Foster System Fails?
Why does society, as a whole, have to help the whole of society?
Why can't local communities (or States) come up with systems that work, instead of relying on the federal government?
Churches and local organizations should be feeding the hungry and working to shelter the poor. We've gotten away from community care and turned to a "hand-out begging" philosophy vs. a "leg-up provision" philosophy.
Posted on 7/14/25 at 10:12 am to GoCrazyAuburn
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From your anecdotal story, it sounds a whole lot more like personal responsibility was for more at play here.
It’s not like the same shite doesn’t happen with people who aren’t in foster care. She’s using a failure of the state to argue for MOAR state
Posted on 7/14/25 at 10:13 am to 4cubbies
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The foster care system is largely "private sector." It's funded publicly but kids generally don't go to state-run institutions. Private families/households take these kids in.
It's completely run, managed and funded by the government. It's a government program by all known definitions.
Posted on 7/14/25 at 10:13 am to 4cubbies
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Oh gotcha. Private Christian families are still free to adopt. I can see how it would get hairy for a FBO to get involved, though.
They aren't as free to foster when the government decides Christianity is a threat to orphaned or abandoned children.
Thought we were talking about foster children... adoption is a whole other ball of wax and equally effed up.
Posted on 7/14/25 at 10:14 am to SallysHuman
Nailed it 
The government would be better off letting churches take care of it instead of sending money to Mr and Mrs Smith who get paid by the kid
Orphan and foster kids would benefit substantially from being in an environment of faith. And they wouldn’t grow up to pop out babies out of wedlock.
The government would be better off letting churches take care of it instead of sending money to Mr and Mrs Smith who get paid by the kid
Orphan and foster kids would benefit substantially from being in an environment of faith. And they wouldn’t grow up to pop out babies out of wedlock.
Posted on 7/14/25 at 10:14 am to 4cubbies
When you remove shame and personal responsibility from society, you get this kind of situation. When you are hungry and working, you dont have time to mess around. When you know your child will starve if you dont personally buy the food with your paycheck, youll think twice about fricking around with a floozy you met at a shelter.
**Its odd and cruelly humorous in a way that this kid who by all accounts is a loser and a massive POS is getting laid and knocking up women while tons of dudes with jobs, houses, etc cant get a date.
The Church should absolutely be helping raise these foster kids and that is a legitimate criticism
**Its odd and cruelly humorous in a way that this kid who by all accounts is a loser and a massive POS is getting laid and knocking up women while tons of dudes with jobs, houses, etc cant get a date.
The Church should absolutely be helping raise these foster kids and that is a legitimate criticism
Posted on 7/14/25 at 10:14 am to 4cubbies
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This isn't a fishing exhibition.
Whatever the fuk that means, probably sounded cute in your head.
Posted on 7/14/25 at 10:14 am to 4cubbies
You prevent it from happening in the first place. You completely skip over how these kids end up "in the system". Have the liberals stop their assault on family, morality and using the perpetual welfare state from perpetuating the conditions that lead to this just to get votes. Break the cycle.
That being said he could have joined the military, and he would have had "a home" plus the chance for further education. There are also churches etc. that could have helped. He could have used birth control; it is not a mystery or hard to obtain. She could have used birth control and not have been a criminal etc. You can't protect people from their own bad decisions.
Even those dealt a bad hand have options, they just refuse to make the most of them. Placing a higher burden on the Gov (which you seem to mean by society) is wrong. You are forcibly taking wealth through taxes from people who made good decisions to give it to people who made bad decisions and that is wrong. Feel free to donate as much of your personal wealth as you want.
That being said he could have joined the military, and he would have had "a home" plus the chance for further education. There are also churches etc. that could have helped. He could have used birth control; it is not a mystery or hard to obtain. She could have used birth control and not have been a criminal etc. You can't protect people from their own bad decisions.
Even those dealt a bad hand have options, they just refuse to make the most of them. Placing a higher burden on the Gov (which you seem to mean by society) is wrong. You are forcibly taking wealth through taxes from people who made good decisions to give it to people who made bad decisions and that is wrong. Feel free to donate as much of your personal wealth as you want.
Posted on 7/14/25 at 10:15 am to DByrd2
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Churches and local organizations should be feeding the hungry and working to shelter the poor.
Many churches have been made to quit these charitable acts.
Posted on 7/14/25 at 10:17 am to jrodLSUke
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Do you spend your entire day dreaming of ways that government can control everything?
Sort of. She dreams of ways people can blame the Government for their life failures, incarceration, etc
She says she no longer teaches and works in the LA prison system so I guess she is some sort of counselor to criminals now as a lot of her posts revolve around those poor rapist and murderers in jail because the Government failed them.
Posted on 7/14/25 at 10:17 am to DByrd2
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Why does society, as a whole, have to help the whole of society?
Because when we don’t, we all pay the price.
If a child grows up without stability, love, or support, they’re statistically more likely to end up in prison and/or on welfare. That costs society financially (through prisons, emergency healthcare, public aid), but it also costs us morally because we’re turning our backs on vulnerable people.
Helping "the whole of society" means investing in stability so we don’t end up spending far more trying to manage chaos later. If we know that foster kids are at high risk of homelessness, addiction, and incarceration when they age out, why wouldn’t we do something on the front end to prevent that?
It’s like maintaining infrastructure. You either fix the bridge before it collapses, or you spend exponentially more cleaning up the wreckage after.
None of us lives in a vacuum. The kid who doesn’t get help might be the one who breaks into your car one day, or, if supported, the one who teaches your kids or helps build your community.
Posted on 7/14/25 at 10:20 am to SallysHuman
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Many churches have been made to quit these charitable acts.
My church runs a homeless outreach center. They provide showers, laundry services, meals, electricity to charge devices, etc. 7 days a week. They help with case management and a lot of other things. It's one of the things that attracted me to that parish.
Things definitely get dicey when unaccompanied minors are involved, though.
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