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re: What happened to DOGE?

Posted on 5/19/25 at 9:48 am to
Posted by notsince98
KC, MO
Member since Oct 2012
22028 posts
Posted on 5/19/25 at 9:48 am to
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Nobody thinks doge is a law enforcement agency. Their job is to find it and turn it over to authorities who will then go after these people. Specifically coming from doge findings, they've found absolutley nothing to date..


OK, so on average, how long do you think it takes for evidence of fraud to be collected, the case researched/prepared and arrest warrant to be issued?

And lets keep in mind that finding the fraud is not the same as documenting the level of detail required to press charges against individuals.

So just spitballing, how long should that process take? Because I know of instances of people getting prosecuted for fraud and money laundering and it took years to build the case before charges were pressed.
Posted by boogiewoogie1978
Little Rock
Member since Aug 2012
20045 posts
Posted on 5/19/25 at 9:53 am to
They are still there. They are trying to become even more entrenched and permeant. The problem is they didn't find what they thought they'd find as far as waste.

The real problem is Congress and has been for awhile.
Posted by j1897
Member since Nov 2011
4589 posts
Posted on 5/19/25 at 9:58 am to
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I don't think that's fair but he does operate in a way where he fails until he succeeds. He is constantly making mistakes and correcting course, like a software developer hammering out code. The thing with Elon is that you have to determine if his north star on the topic aligns with yours. If it does he will eventually get the results you want.


Nah, he just blatantly lies. Not sure of the statue of limitations, but a soros winning DA in 2027 might toss him in jail. He's lied considerably more than the Nikola CEO.
Posted by mwade91383
Washington DC
Member since Mar 2010
7847 posts
Posted on 5/19/25 at 10:01 am to
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OK, so on average, how long do you think it takes for evidence of fraud to be collected, the case researched/prepared and arrest warrant to be issued?

And lets keep in mind that finding the fraud is not the same as documenting the level of detail required to press charges against individuals.

So just spitballing, how long should that process take? Because I know of instances of people getting prosecuted for fraud and money laundering and it took years to build the case before charges were pressed.


I think the same thing every resonable person thinks, in the first 120 days they would've presented something that's actually fraud.

Everybody else has stopped making so many excuses for them (which is another reason why they've gone quiet). It's not clear why you're still carrying so much water for them despite absolutley pitiful results (and an overall increase in spending to boot).

But if you wanna keep telling yourself you're getting free beer tomorrow, be my guest.

This post was edited on 5/19/25 at 10:06 am
Posted by Branson
Member since Dec 2023
243 posts
Posted on 5/19/25 at 10:04 am to
That is a very accurate observation.
Posted by TigerAxeOK
Where I lay my head is home.
Member since Dec 2016
37826 posts
Posted on 5/19/25 at 10:07 am to
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All they can do is point out the fraud and abuse.

And then report it to We the People.

And then Congress won't do anything to address it.

And then We the People don't hold Congress accountable.

Then, we show Congress how upset we are, but reelecting them.

And around and around we go.

...at this point, I truly believe that only the naive actually think that things will ever change. The establishment has spent 70 years building this system, and it's now just the way things are. Get used to it, and prepare for collapse. Istanbul was once the capitol of the Byzantine, Roman and Ottoman empires. Everything falls eventually.
Posted by TigerAxeOK
Where I lay my head is home.
Member since Dec 2016
37826 posts
Posted on 5/19/25 at 10:07 am to
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All they can do is point out the fraud and abuse.

And then report it to We the People.

And then Congress won't do anything to address it.

And then We the People don't hold Congress accountable.

Then, we show Congress how upset we are, but reelecting them.

And around and around we go.

...at this point, I truly believe that only the naive actually think that things will ever change. The establishment has spent 70 years building this system, and it's now just the way things are. Get used to it, and prepare for collapse. Istanbul was once the capitol of the Byzantine, Roman and Ottoman empires. Everything falls eventually.
Posted by aTmTexas Dillo
East Texas Lake
Member since Sep 2018
23874 posts
Posted on 5/19/25 at 10:09 am to
Elon was distracted by DOGE. Now he is back to managing his companies. He doesn't care about DOGE anymore. He's a businessman trying to drum up business. Like he was just in the Middle East drumming up business wasn't he?
Posted by Spelt it rong
Louisiana
Member since Oct 2012
10907 posts
Posted on 5/19/25 at 10:15 am to
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Because a lot of government employees that work from home are not busy enough with their government job that they occupy their government time with hobbies or other jobs.

Again, their superiors are at fault here. Throwing the baby out with the bathwater is lazy and never addresses any actual problems. In fact, more problems are being created every day by these tactics.
Posted by notsince98
KC, MO
Member since Oct 2012
22028 posts
Posted on 5/19/25 at 10:18 am to
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in the first 120 days they would've presented something that's actually fraud.


They have, multiple times. You seem to be stuck on social security data that was released that were never claimed by DOGE to be fraud.

Go look around. Plenty of contracts with fake companies they have posted.
Posted by VoxDawg
Glory, Glory
Member since Sep 2012
77319 posts
Posted on 5/19/25 at 10:19 am to
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Elon and Thiel got the information they wanted from the particular agencies and threw in USAID as a kickback to Trump.

Yeah, because the tech guru worth half a trillion $$$ needs to get kickbacks from the US government to keep his plane gassed up.
Posted by TBoy
Kalamazoo
Member since Dec 2007
28495 posts
Posted on 5/19/25 at 10:20 am to
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All they can do is point out the fraud and abuse.

They aren't even doing that. They are proclaiming that fraud and abuse exists, but they haven't shown evidence of anything.

Name one person found by Doge to have defrauded the US government in any specific way.
Posted by mwade91383
Washington DC
Member since Mar 2010
7847 posts
Posted on 5/19/25 at 10:23 am to
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They have, multiple times. You seem to be stuck on social security data that was released that were never claimed by DOGE to be fraud.

Go look around. Plenty of contracts with fake companies they have posted.


Sauces please.

Again, actual fraud (breaking the law) is what we're looking for.
Posted by ipodking
#StopTalkingAboutWomensSports
Member since Jun 2008
58929 posts
Posted on 5/19/25 at 10:29 am to
So Big Balls has been deflated and is now No Balls?
Posted by VoxDawg
Glory, Glory
Member since Sep 2012
77319 posts
Posted on 5/19/25 at 10:34 am to
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Sauces please.

Imagine if the left had been this vigilant about verifying that the 2020 election truly was "the most secure in our nation's history" instead of taking some career bureaucratic flunky for his word... or holding out for actual scientific proof that the injectable bioweapon was actually as safe and effective as the marketing blitz double-pinky swore that it was.
Posted by wallowinit
Louisiana
Member since Dec 2006
17643 posts
Posted on 5/19/25 at 10:36 am to
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Very little fraud.

My goodness. You get way too much respect on this board.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
476014 posts
Posted on 5/19/25 at 11:06 am to
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The entirety of USAID was fraud


Money legally appropriated by Congress and spent within the parameters of Congressional and Executive fiat is fraud? How?
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
476014 posts
Posted on 5/19/25 at 11:07 am to
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My goodness. You get way too much respect on this board.


What are the examples of fraud?

Not legally appropriated waste you disagree with. That's not fraud.

Not some huge appropriation with "trust me bro" implications, either. That theoretically could be fraud but you have no evidence to support the allegation.

And don't rely on "common sense", please, to fill in the gaps.
Posted by junkfunky
Member since Jan 2011
36282 posts
Posted on 5/19/25 at 11:44 am to
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Nothing happened to them. Elon and Thiel got the information they wanted from the particular agencies and threw in USAID as a kickback to Trump.
Posted by LegendInMyMind
Member since Apr 2019
74950 posts
Posted on 5/19/25 at 12:05 pm to
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RINO cucks neutered them.

Primary all RINOs

You think? Because shite started changing real quick after Elon had his public falling out with Rubio and Donald had to make a public statement. After that it was Donald who said things were going to change, and things changed.
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