re: WH to engage in mass federal layoffs if govt shutdowns: new memo from office m&b

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OK. I mean republicans attacking government workers is nothing new. That’s what they do. Go ahead.

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Democrats have killed government workers.

Bill Clinton cut government workers.


That’s what you do.

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You don’t understand what the budget dispute is about, do you? It’s about the elimination of ACA subsidies for the working poor to afford health insurance. The democrats want the subsidies to continue and republicans want them cut. The cut will push the cost of health insurance out of reach of millions of people.

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It’s almost like… the Affordable Care Act didn’t actually make care more affordable. It just made other people pay for it for some people.

Not even gonna respond to him. Just say the magic word subsidies and the loons show up with a hand out.

Im sure these parents had health insurance in the US......

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Millions of U.S.-citizen children have undocumented parents and family members.

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No one in the US goes without health care, you pay for them.

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OK. I mean republicans attacking government workers is nothing new. That’s what they do

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I think the country prefers how we ‘attack’ people as opposed to how your side ‘attacks’ people



fricking hypocritical piece of shite

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the Affordable Care Act didn’t actually make care more affordable. It just made other people pay for it for some people.

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true dat - that was another of the scams the democrat party used to get us to pay for increasing their ballot bloc

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The democrats want the subsidies to continue and republicans want them cut. The cut will push the cost of health insurance out of reach of millions of people

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Damn, I feel like we’ve been through this before….

At this point yall have to be this hypocritical on purpose

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Right wing posters are freaking out because they are getting everything they want.

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I’m not freaking out about anything. I just hate you and everything you and your side stand for. Like murdering people you don’t agree with

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Trump is threatening to do cruel stuff

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Oh no!!!


Again, your people are KILLING political opponents - address that

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It’s almost like… the Affordable Care Act didn’t actually make care more affordable. It just made other people pay for it for some people.

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That's exactly what it did. It's just a wealth redistribution program.

And it actually made care (and insurance, since those are two different things) less affordable.

The problem with the ACA subsidies is that there will always be a line just above which you're going to have people who can't afford it having to pay for themselves and other people. It's called the "Subsidy Cliff." You can move that line around, but you can't get rid of it.

Obviously the higher you move it, the more expensive it is and the fewer people are paying into it.

The ACA basically increased costs massively for productive taxpaying Americans so that those not contributing could have a free ride. And I don't just mean that the productive Americans paid for the poor American's insurance, I mean that the productive Americans paid for the poor American's insurance at a hugely artificially inflated rate, as well as their own.

It would have been so much cheaper for the government to simply have bought people who couldn't afford it a basic BC/BS policy. Taxpayers would have to have borne a much smaller burden, both in what they were forced to buy for someone else and their own premiums.

Instead, premiums rose 129% just between 2013 and 2017 and deductibles rose over 53% during the same period according to eHealth.

And that's just the average. Many plans got a lot more expensive than that, and the deductible situation got A LOT higher for some people.

I used to own a medical clinic. When I opened it in 2005 the average deductible for a BC/BS plan that we would see was around $350. By 2020 or so it was common for us to see deductibles of $3,000, $5,000, etc.

And this is why everyone should correct people when they say "health care," when what they mean is "health insurance." Politicians very deliberately conflated those two to try to erase the difference in the public's mind.

And they did so because it's really easy to make sure 100% of the public is covered by insurance. But that doesn't necessarily mean anything depending on the terms of the policy. If I have to kick in $7,000 a year before the insurance company pays anything, then really what I have is a catastrophic-only plan (and those were DIRT cheap before the ACA, which brings me back to, they could have just bought people who couldn't afford it one of those if that was considered good enough.)

In other words, just because you have "health insurance" that doesn't mean you can actually get "health care."

Not unless you have the $7,000 to pay the deductible. And if you fall just outside the Subsidy Cliff, you usually don't.

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The cut will push the cost of health insurance out of reach of millions of people

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Boy.. I remember you drones throwing an absolute fit when the “”””””””affordable”””””””””” care act actually raised insurance premiums and deductibles for all people including the middle class and poor. Those marches in the streets, the furor, the knashing of teeth as health insurance was put out of reach for millions of people.

Oh… wait a minute!!

And why don’t you plainly and clearly articulate why it’s a bad thing for work requirements for able bodied Medicaid recipients? As much knashing of teeth you programmed drones are engaging in… this isn’t as extensive as Clinton’s welfare reforms. I don’t remember the left throwing an absolute fit then.. correct?