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re: Were cities safer when the Mafia ran things?
Posted on 3/6/23 at 1:25 pm to burger bearcat
Posted on 3/6/23 at 1:25 pm to burger bearcat
Taxes to mafia were high, but protection was effective
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Posted on 3/6/23 at 2:11 pm to burger bearcat
Most of the crime was kept in the hood same with drugs
Posted on 3/6/23 at 2:31 pm to burger bearcat
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At least with Wise Guys, there was some honor. No one was attacking innocent women and children.
One problem. They were heavily into extortion of small businesses owned by new immigrants who didn't have a lot of money.
'It would be terrible if something happened to your shop.'
That was stealing from innocent men, women and children.
Posted on 3/6/23 at 2:39 pm to tigerfoot
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Taxes to mafia were high, but protection was effective
Extortion was effective
What about when they forced you out of your profitable business?
Posted on 3/6/23 at 3:28 pm to oldskule
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New York was way safer....
When? 1970’s & 1980’s? You can say that when the crime families lost their hold on the city in the 1990’s it got way better.
Posted on 3/6/23 at 3:49 pm to Yaboylsu63
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I mean NOLA has always been dangerous but you can’t deny it was safer when Marcello ran that city..
The influence goes back before him to Frank Costello, and before him to The Black Hand in the Quarter.
Costello was with Luciano who for a short time was the most powerful underworld figure in the country.
He survived an assassination attempt ordered by Genovese.
Costello was one of the few higher-ups who died of natural causes.
He had a home here on Carrollton Ave.
Marcello was his driver. It's how he began his reign here.
Of course, how "wonderful" it was is in the eye of the beholder.
As long as your business wasn't in competition with any of their own; you were ok with paying protection money (which was to protect you from them); didn't have big eyes for one of their girlfriends (molls); didn't own a racehorse that was a threat to one of their own.
If they had any "positives" it was the resistance they presented to the Communists who had targeted our unions, which had little to do with "patriotism."
Which at least gave our forebears options for choosing which criminal enterprise they'd prefer rule them.
Posted on 3/6/23 at 4:46 pm to burger bearcat
The cities are still controlled by organized crime just not the same organizations. We have gone from the Italian/Irish mob to the Crips and Gangster Disciples.
Posted on 3/6/23 at 4:53 pm to burger bearcat
Yes. Look at NOLA as a prime example.
Posted on 3/6/23 at 5:13 pm to burger bearcat
frick no
the mafia were as big of pussies as the gang bangers.
they talked of respect, they cut a fricking guys throat, while he was a passenger in front seat, shot him in front of his family.
mafia, respect, lol, fricking pussies
the mafia were as big of pussies as the gang bangers.
they talked of respect, they cut a fricking guys throat, while he was a passenger in front seat, shot him in front of his family.
mafia, respect, lol, fricking pussies
Posted on 3/6/23 at 5:22 pm to burger bearcat
Had Lincoln been able to institute his repatriation plan before he was assassinated and we never allowed mass immigration, this place would be heaven right now. Forced multiculturalism is what ruined the US and many other countries.
Posted on 3/6/23 at 5:30 pm to burger bearcat
Please! I am sure that everybody has a romantic, Hollywood influenced image of what the "Mob" was. Most of what the mob did was simple street crime. You own a restaurant, or a retail store? Guess what..you had to pay for protection every week. Lower echelon mob guys broke into houses, stole cars, threatened people and sold drugs. 95% of them were not the Godfather.
Posted on 3/6/23 at 5:34 pm to burger bearcat
Its the 12.4 % that's the difference today.
Posted on 3/6/23 at 5:38 pm to oldskule
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New York was way safer....
Lol not even close. NY in the 70’s and 80’s was like a war zone. Time square was a drugged out whore infested cess pool.
Back in the 80’s cops would blow their whistle every time a homicide was committed. My old boss was a LT in NYPD back then he said they ran out of breath regularly blowing those fricking things all night.
In 93 in the Cypress hill neighborhood in East New York there was a murder on average every 63 hours.
Posted on 3/6/23 at 5:45 pm to burger bearcat
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At least with Wise Guys, there was some honor.
That's what the movies want you to think. As usual they are full of s***. The mob is not The Godfather or even Goodfellas. If you read books about the true history, there were petty rivalries that resulted in lots of bloodshed. There were certainly civilian casualties when the wrong guy was hit from behind. There were also plenty of legitimate businesses that they would shake down for "protection" which really meant "pay me or I'll kill you".
Also Heroin. The mob "was against drugs" so they had arms length agreements with black gangs to sell it once the sicillians (as in the guys living on an island near Italy, not sicilian third generation Americans) dropped it off.
There was a significant degree of street crime that was "regulated" by the mob, but it still happened.
But if you read any books about the last cycle of downturn in the inner city (around 1970), there was plenty of violent crime in places like New York, Chicago, Boston, Detroit, etc... There was a 20-30 year wave of suburban migration that lasted until 1995 or so. The pendulum swang back for 25 years to the city, and now we are back to the suburbs. It happens. It's a cycle like many things are.
Posted on 3/6/23 at 6:15 pm to burger bearcat
I don't know how much involvement the mafia has in Vegas anymore yet I heard before the corporations took over the casinos and hotels prices for lodging food and entertainment were reasonable. I knew people who would get a flight delay over in Vegas coming from the East coast, to get the cheap food buffet. I understand the corps have jacked up the prices for profit.
The mob wanted Vegas to be safe. So the tourists and gamblers will come.
The mob wanted Vegas to be safe. So the tourists and gamblers will come.
This post was edited on 3/7/23 at 5:27 pm
Posted on 3/6/23 at 7:50 pm to burger bearcat
Absolutely
Posted on 3/6/23 at 7:52 pm to leeman101
"The mob wanted Vegas to be safe."
... Tony Spilotro says "hold my Chianti".
Actually you are right about the mob bosses back home, but Spilotro broke into hotel rooms, nice houses and stole anything that he could get away with fencing at The Gold Rush. This is why he and his brother were wacked! He was getting out of control.
... Tony Spilotro says "hold my Chianti".
Actually you are right about the mob bosses back home, but Spilotro broke into hotel rooms, nice houses and stole anything that he could get away with fencing at The Gold Rush. This is why he and his brother were wacked! He was getting out of control.
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