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Posted on 5/11/14 at 1:58 pm to Truckasaurus
Call it what you will. Fact is, unless we do something drastic, the welfare state will only continue to grow. Give sally 10 grand, ensure she cant reproduce anymore and be done with it. She already has 3 kids. Now she can spend 10 grand on something to improve her and her kids lives. Its a win-win.
Posted on 5/11/14 at 2:06 pm to Rex
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didn't say the lead poster's premise was incorrect. I asked him to provide a link in support of his premise instead of just posting "common knowledge".
Rexiepoo... if we were face to face in a debate, would you honestly look me in the eye and say, "PokerThere, you say that poor people reproduce more than well to do folk... im going to need a link" No. Because you know its true. You're just trying to be an internet badass who's too good to try to have an honest talk about a real problem.
Posted on 5/11/14 at 2:07 pm to Rex
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This post was edited on 8/20/14 at 5:19 pm
Posted on 5/11/14 at 2:08 pm to Rex
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There are better ways for reducing birth rates among people who can't afford it: STOP GIVING MONEY, as I've always preached. Instead of giving money for food, give FOOD. Instead of giving money for clothing, give CLOTHING. Instead of giving money for health care, give HEALTH CARE. There is far too much incentive in the receipt of money to misuse it, and it's impossible for the government to monitor such welfare properly.
We can agree on this one my friend
I have long advocated for taking the cash out of all welfare programs - just provide the basic staples, and make them generic or unidentifiable as to brand name to keep the resale value low.
Posted on 5/11/14 at 2:09 pm to PokerThere
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why? people pay to get their tubes tied, vasectomies. Youre just giving the poor an option to make a cool 10 grand in return of not making offspring who will more often than not become leaches and just continuing the cycle. There is a huge push for abortion to be legalized... some see that as taking a life. sterilization is simply making it impossible to get pregnant. Far less offensive if I say so myself.
Because its close enough to eugenics to scare people off, and no politician is going to sacrifice himself by leading this movement.
Posted on 5/11/14 at 2:16 pm to Roger Klarvin
eh... The key is getting your target group to be behind it. If the poor say yeah, everyone else will. but, unfortunately i agree with you in that it wont happen. After all, there is far too much money to be made in welfare. gotta keep the voting block strong!
Posted on 5/11/14 at 2:17 pm to Rex
I agree with pretty much everything you said in that post.
Posted on 5/11/14 at 2:19 pm to Rex
Awesome post, Rex. I'm all for government run food banks, clothing shelters, and charity hospitals. In a perfect world I'd want that all done by private charities and not tax dollars, but it's a step in the right direction.
Posted on 5/11/14 at 2:19 pm to PokerThere
I see no scenario in which you could get those on welfare behind this.
Besides, even if you could the democrats already believe they know whats best for the poor. No reason to believe they'd go along with this just because the poor wanted it.
Besides, even if you could the democrats already believe they know whats best for the poor. No reason to believe they'd go along with this just because the poor wanted it.
Posted on 5/11/14 at 2:21 pm to Rex
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As for his proposal, it seems it would cost more than what he's trying to save. There are many women who have no desire at all to have children, or have no desire to have more than one... those people would gladly accept a $10,000 check that was never meant to discourage THEM in the first place, because they needed no discouragement. There are better ways for reducing birth rates among people who can't afford it: STOP GIVING MONEY, as I've always preached. Instead of giving money for food, give FOOD. Instead of giving money for clothing, give CLOTHING. Instead of giving money for health care, give HEALTH CARE. There is far too much incentive in the receipt of money to misuse it, and it's impossible for the government to monitor such welfare properly.
I won't quibble about any of the details in your proposal, because I'm so happy to see an actual substantive post from you. More of that please.
Posted on 5/11/14 at 2:25 pm to Roger Klarvin
I'm not saying it should be some wide sweeping, every mother must do thing... More of something we need to start looking into. You have to trim the fat one way or another eventually.
Posted on 5/11/14 at 3:24 pm to ChineseBandit58
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I have long advocated for taking the cash out of all welfare programs
While I agree with this the government would never do this. The welfare dollars go right back into the economy.
Posted on 5/11/14 at 3:44 pm to Sprung
Sure lower income people have more children than higher income people but the reasons are more complex than just welfare and food stamp money. For poorer people children are often the only joy and satisfaction they get out of life. If you are poor and work jobs that don't pay well family and more children ensure a greater financial benefit in your retirement years. Poorer people don't have 501k's and IRAs they only have social security and it's hard to make it on that when you have a low wage job. Poorer people depend more on their family than wealthier people to help them in older age and depend on them more to provide services that many of us pay others for like yard maintenance and rides to doctor's offices and so on. More children mean a more secure future for you financially and for doing other things when you are poor and old and
I know you conservatives don't want to believe that but it's true. When you are poor children are often the only joy you have in life and they are needed for you financially.
The truth is that adding an additional child does not double your welfare benefits. As family size gets larger there are diminishing returns. You do not get like 1000.00 a month per child with 1000.00 more for each additional child.
I know you conservatives don't want to believe that but it's true. When you are poor children are often the only joy you have in life and they are needed for you financially.
The truth is that adding an additional child does not double your welfare benefits. As family size gets larger there are diminishing returns. You do not get like 1000.00 a month per child with 1000.00 more for each additional child.
Posted on 5/11/14 at 3:49 pm to Rex
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There are better ways for reducing birth rates among people who can't afford it: STOP GIVING MONEY, as I've always preached. Instead of giving money for food, give FOOD. Instead of giving money for clothing, give CLOTHING. Instead of giving money for health care, give HEALTH CARE. There is far too much incentive in the receipt of money to misuse it, and it's impossible for the government to monitor such welfare properly.
This may be the most sensible thing you've posted since the George Zim trial. I can't believe I agree with Rex on something and the post almost deserves an up vote. Almost
Of course your on political party would call you a racist bigot for this.
Posted on 5/11/14 at 4:51 pm to PokerThere
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What if we gave each family 10K upfront if they got sterilized, thus ending their ridiculous birth rate. Obviously such families have a more short term thought process, so more would rather the 10K, than have 3 more kids.
I have a cheaper solution
Posted on 5/11/14 at 7:08 pm to PokerThere
fricking for profit, another brilliant idea brought to you by the Dems. Benefits should have been capped at two kids when this piece of shite legislation was initiated.
Posted on 5/11/14 at 8:52 pm to Sprung
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The welfare dollars go right back into the economy.
Nancy Pelosi posts here?
Posted on 5/11/14 at 9:31 pm to PokerThere
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Over drinks the other afternoon, a friend and I got to talking about the outrageous birthdate amongst the poor, and how to effectively manage and lower it.
Its your business to tell someone how many kids they should have because of how little money they make?
Wow. You must be a libertarian.
This post was edited on 5/11/14 at 9:31 pm
Posted on 5/11/14 at 9:37 pm to SpidermanTUba
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Its your business to tell someone how many kids they should have because of how little money they make?
if we're supporting them, the questions become a lot less rude. if they are making their own independent decisions, it's on them
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