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re: Welfare birthrate question
Posted on 5/11/14 at 12:50 pm to Truckasaurus
Posted on 5/11/14 at 12:50 pm to Truckasaurus
quote:Yep. Pretty much. Especially when there is no father in the home.
I will readily admit I do not know how all of the programs work. Are food stamps and TANF paid out on a per child basis? Does each additional child give you an equal amount of money?
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Posted on 5/11/14 at 12:51 pm to PokerThere
That's what you talk about over drinks? Sheez. What a party!
Posted on 5/11/14 at 12:53 pm to Truckasaurus
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You're getting dangerously close to eugenics there. Bribing poor families to self-sterilize.
Just semantics, Truck. We are practicing a form of 'eugenics' in effect. I.e., manipulating a particular demographic in the population, through a systematic means.
What is your take on the coming wave of Genetic Engineering, and the potential therein? Would you consider that 'eugenics'? And as such, immoral? Impractical as a viable mechanism for human advancement?
Should allocation/dissemination of genetic attributes such as superior intellect, physical prowess, etc., be a approached as matter of (social justice) moral impetus re availability...or just for them that can afford such an advantageous luxury?
It's all fixing to change. Today's problems, will be made moot by tomorrows.
Posted on 5/11/14 at 12:55 pm to ChicagoTiger
2 friends can't relax, catch up, and bitch about random things? For what it's worth, I Bartend so when I want to relax and drink with a friend I tend to like more intellectual topics and debating sides. Rather than your usual drunken topics which I deal with on a regular basis.
Posted on 5/11/14 at 12:55 pm to rintintin
My idea may work better. Instead of sterilization, give 10k to any single woman that can prove that she has not given birth by a certain age.
Posted on 5/11/14 at 1:01 pm to Truckasaurus
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Can't vouch for the website I got it from (though it wasn't from an anti-welfare website or anything). It was just the first thing that popped up when I googled it.
You can poke holes in any statistical information, but numbers were asked for and they were provided. Now the detractor is nowhere to be found.
I think it's pretty common knowledge that irresponsible behavior (i.e. drug and alcohol abuse, criminal charges, unwanted pregnancies, etc) is higher in lower income populations. Whether it's a byproduct of their born into plight, or simply poor decision making is a whole different argument. But it would take someone extremely oblivious to their surroundings to think otherwise.
Posted on 5/11/14 at 1:01 pm to Truckasaurus
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Though I wouldn't consider myself who you mean when you say "poli board", wouldn't the better solution be to scale down benefits? Maybe down to zero after two kids?
This is a more reasonable and manageable solution.
Posted on 5/11/14 at 1:03 pm to Truckasaurus
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Are food stamps and TANF paid out on a per child basis? Does each additional child give you an equal amount of money?
Yes. One of the simplest reforms to implement into those programs is to cap benefit household sizes. That way people are no longer incentivized to keep having kids.
Posted on 5/11/14 at 1:04 pm to davesdawgs
Rex disappeared again???
Rex, learn a lesson here, dont ever ask for a link that you don't believe is out there unless youre sure
Rex, learn a lesson here, dont ever ask for a link that you don't believe is out there unless youre sure
Posted on 5/11/14 at 1:09 pm to fleaux
Have y'all not figured out that Rex is one of the best trolls on TD yet?
He's prolific. I laugh every time I see him post in this manner.
He's prolific. I laugh every time I see him post in this manner.
Posted on 5/11/14 at 1:15 pm to fleaux
quote:
Rex disappeared again???
Rex, learn a lesson here, dont ever ask for a link that you don't believe is out there unless youre sure
Especially when he knows it was true to begin with...
Posted on 5/11/14 at 1:15 pm to PokerThere
quote:
how do you think we should tackle this out of control birthrate amongst the poor?
Education. Takes a while but that is the answer to all questions about the poor.
Posted on 5/11/14 at 1:19 pm to Sprung
Can't teach someone who doesn't want to learn.
Posted on 5/11/14 at 1:21 pm to Teddy Ruxpin
quote:
Have y'all not figured out that Rex is one of the best trolls on TD yet?
I am sure most if not all do. I know I respond for pure entertainment...
Posted on 5/11/14 at 1:22 pm to RockyMtnTigerWDE
quote:Same, too much fun.
I know I respond for pure entertainment...
Posted on 5/11/14 at 1:27 pm to Truckasaurus
Posted on 5/11/14 at 1:31 pm to PokerThere
As much as I oppose the welfare society, paying people to get sterilized would just never fly. The very idea is just far too offensive to the average American.
Posted on 5/11/14 at 1:44 pm to Roger Klarvin
why? people pay to get their tubes tied, vasectomies. Youre just giving the poor an option to make a cool 10 grand in return of not making offspring who will more often than not become leaches and just continuing the cycle. There is a huge push for abortion to be legalized... some see that as taking a life. sterilization is simply making it impossible to get pregnant. Far less offensive if I say so myself.
Posted on 5/11/14 at 1:48 pm to PokerThere
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Youre just giving the poor an option to make a cool 10 grand in return of not making offspring who will more often than not become leaches and just continuing the cycle.
Once again, this plan is getting dangerously close to eugenics. Which would never fly.
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Posted on 5/11/14 at 1:52 pm to Qwerty
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That's the cue for Rex to abandon thread.
The anti-Rex atmosphere here is quite comical.
I didn't abandon the thread. I had to go get some exercise. I respond to more questions and posts hurled my way than probably anybody else on the site, but the minute I have to take a break I'm accused by somebody of running away, only because I didn't pay enough attention to HIM.
I didn't say the lead poster's premise was incorrect. I asked him to provide a link in support of his premise instead of just posting "common knowledge".
As for his proposition about paying people to not have children, I have said MANY TIMES on this board that we should not incentivize people to have children, that in fact we should disincentivize them. I am all for reducing birth rates across ALL economic statuses.
As for his proposal, it seems it would cost more than what he's trying to save. There are many women who have no desire at all to have children, or have no desire to have more than one... those people would gladly accept a $10,000 check that was never meant to discourage THEM in the first place, because they needed no discouragement.
There are better ways for reducing birth rates among people who can't afford it: STOP GIVING MONEY, as I've always preached. Instead of giving money for food, give FOOD. Instead of giving money for clothing, give CLOTHING. Instead of giving money for health care, give HEALTH CARE. There is far too much incentive in the receipt of money to misuse it, and it's impossible for the government to monitor such welfare properly.
eta: Now may I please leave the site for a spell so I can go grab some lunch, without being accused of cowardice?
This post was edited on 5/11/14 at 1:54 pm
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