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re: Welfare birthrate question
Posted on 5/11/14 at 9:38 pm to SpidermanTUba
Posted on 5/11/14 at 9:38 pm to SpidermanTUba
Damn Tuba, you sat on the bench all day and still whiffed on your first few posts...... I hope
You werent saving your energy for that crap
You werent saving your energy for that crap
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Posted on 5/11/14 at 9:41 pm to SlowFlowPro
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if we're supporting them,
Why do you think you're "supporting" them? Do you think every poor person sits at home and draws a government check or something?
Posted on 5/11/14 at 9:46 pm to BOSCEAUX
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Benefits should have been capped at two kids when this piece of shite legislation was initiated.
The economic reward from the IRS for having a third child or higher is actually higher for many middle class and wealthy families.
This post was edited on 5/11/14 at 9:47 pm
Posted on 5/11/14 at 9:48 pm to SpidermanTUba
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Why do you think you're "supporting" them?
i pay taxes that go to support their lifestyle via redistribution of wealth. you don't?
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Do you think every poor person sits at home and draws a government check or something?
are you talking about all sorts of checks? welfare, food stamps, WIC, medicaid, section 8, etc?
Posted on 5/11/14 at 9:51 pm to SlowFlowPro
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i pay taxes that go to support their lifestyle via redistribution of wealth.
Their "lifestyle"? What the hell does that even mean?
This post was edited on 5/11/14 at 9:51 pm
Posted on 5/11/14 at 9:52 pm to SpidermanTUba
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Their "lifestyle"? What the hell does that even mean?
having children they couldn't afford without government benefits, in terms of the discussions of this thread
having kids before you can afford it is a major issue with why poor people stay poor. our system reinforces that incentive, by making it hurt a lot less for the poor to make this mistake. so what happens? they engage in this behavior
...and it keeps them poor
do you need to see my plan to end poverty?
This post was edited on 5/11/14 at 9:53 pm
Posted on 5/11/14 at 9:53 pm to SlowFlowPro
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i pay taxes that go to support their lifestyle via redistribution of wealth. you don't?
I pay taxes that go to support YOUR lifestyle. Does that mean I get to say how many kids YOU can have?
Posted on 5/11/14 at 9:54 pm to Rex
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I pay taxes that go to support YOUR lifestyle.
directly? like what?
and for the most part, i don't want you paying for almost every indirect benefit i receive
This post was edited on 5/11/14 at 9:55 pm
Posted on 5/11/14 at 9:58 pm to SlowFlowPro
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having children they couldn't afford without government benefits, in terms of the discussions of this thread
Why do you assume all poor people have children they cannot afford and receive government benefits?
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having kids before you can afford it is a major issue with why poor people stay poor.our system reinforces that incentive, by making it hurt a lot less for the poor to make this mistake. so what happens? they engage in this behavior
that sounds like a not unreasonable theory. Can you support it with empirical evidence?
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...and it keeps them poor
do you need to see my plan to end poverty?
I just wanna make sure I get this straight.
You have an untested theory that poor people stay poor, not because they lack education, not because they lack a financial safety net - but because they have sex, and procreate, like the entire rest of humanity, and the government pays them untold amounts of money to do it - and although you are no doubt opposed to paying for birth control pills or condoms for the poor - you would like to, based on this theory of yours, spend trillions of dollars permanently sterlizing the poor - who all do nothing but sit around all day having kids so they can get at your money?
Is that about right?
Posted on 5/11/14 at 10:00 pm to SlowFlowPro
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directly? like what?
Absolutely directly. I pay for the roads and bridges upon which you drive to work and pleasure. I pay for your parks. I pay for your military. I pay for your post office. I pay for your police force. I pay to keep your air and water clean. I pay for a lot of things that support your lifestyle.
Posted on 5/11/14 at 10:03 pm to SpidermanTUba
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Why do you assume all poor people have children they cannot afford and receive government benefits?
you get medicaid with a child earning well above poverty-level wages
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Can you support it with empirical evidence?
i can google. what kind of evidence are you looking for, exactly? you always require specific data
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You have an untested theory that poor people stay poor, not because they lack education, not because they lack a financial safety net - but because they have sex,
whoa. having children when they can't afford them is only one of the issues. the poor rejecting education is another part of the issue. the poor making terrible financial decisions, which linger on is another part of the issue. my plan addresses all of these points
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you would like to, based on this theory of yours, spend trillions of dollars permanently sterlizing the poor
where did i say that? can you provide empirical evidence?
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who all do nothing but sit around all day having kids so they can get at your money?
where did i say that?
Posted on 5/11/14 at 10:03 pm to Rex
Good thing you are fapping over your subsidized Odramacare. I mean since you didn't want to pay for it until you know it was subsidized.
Posted on 5/11/14 at 10:05 pm to Rex
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I pay for the roads and bridges upon which you drive to work and pleasure.
that's indirect, fwiw. and i'm no anarchist. i believe in public roads to facilitate trade...but i'm starting to believe in privatization of roads
that way you won't have to pay for roads you don't use. more importantly, poor people won't, either
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I pay for your parks.
indirect, and i don't use parks
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I pay for your military
indirect, but that's another of the rare exceptions.
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. I pay for your post office.
i wish you didn't have to
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I pay for your police force
you live in lake charles?
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I pay to keep your air and water clean.
you live in lake charles?
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I pay for a lot of things that support your lifestyle.
indirectly. and again, i wish you didn't have to pay for most of them...esp on a federal level
Posted on 5/11/14 at 10:06 pm to SpidermanTUba
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Its your business to tell someone how many kids they should have because of how little money they make?
Well, seeing as I said it would be a simple incentive for them to get the surgery done. It would be THEIR choice to do. Kind of like how its THEIR choice to get an abortion.
Posted on 5/11/14 at 10:08 pm to PokerThere
i'm just going to put this here
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the SFP 7-fold path
1. value education, do your work/homework, and graduate from high school
2. avoid criminal behavior and those who are involved in criminal behavior
3. avoid sex until you have a real job after high school
4. get a job in high school. this isn't for money as much as it is to give you experience in work and a history for future employers
5. get a bank account when you get a job, and before you're on your own and keep it as full as you can. do not overdraw the bank account. do not use credit.
6. act like a professional person in all non-private settings
7. do not use tobacco, alcohol, or illegal drugs
do this, and you will avoid poverty unless you run into an extreme/outlier scenario (like being shot by a stray bullet or getting legitimately disabled in an accident that isn't your fault and is out of your control
Posted on 5/11/14 at 10:08 pm to SlowFlowPro
Indirect? My taxes get paid directly to the IRS. How are my payments for roads "indirect" but your payments for food stamps "direct"? You're not making sense, sorry.
Sorry, but I just had to laugh.
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but i'm starting to believe in privatization of roads
Sorry, but I just had to laugh.
Posted on 5/11/14 at 10:10 pm to Rex
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Indirect? My taxes get paid directly to the IRS. How are my payments for roads "indirect" but your payments for food stamps "direct"?
do you receive a voucher for road usage? welfare, et al involve direct funding to a citizen, who then uses that money as they see fit
funding a road has, at best, an indirect benefit to me. i won't even travel on 99.9% of roads in this country and have no control over the roads that i am allowed to drive on
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Sorry, but I just had to laugh.
i don't want you to pay for roads you don't use
Posted on 5/11/14 at 10:15 pm to SlowFlowPro
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do this, and you will avoid poverty unless you run into an extreme/outlier scenario (like being shot by a stray bullet or getting legitimately disabled in an accident that isn't your fault and is out of your control
You do understand, don't you, that people getting laid off from work is usually out of their control?
You do understand, don't you, that there are ex-engineers, ex-accountants, ex-systems analysts working in menial jobs because of forces beyond their control?
You do understand, don't you, that people get diseases?
Yur seven steps are valuable, but it's naive to think they would solve all problems.
Posted on 5/11/14 at 10:18 pm to Rex
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You do understand, don't you, that people getting laid off from work is usually out of their control?
why don't they have a personal safety net? i always try to have at least 6 months of salary saved + my annual med deductible
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You do understand, don't you, that there are ex-engineers, ex-accountants, ex-systems analysts working in menial jobs because of forces beyond their control?
like their marketability or financial status, which are totally in their control?
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You do understand, don't you, that people get diseases?
that falls under an outlier scenario if it's truly disabling, which i noted in the quoted text
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but it's naive to think they would solve all problems.
i didn't say they would solve all problems. if a person does them, outside of extreme/outlier scenarios, they will avoid poverty
show me a person in poverty, and barring the aforementioned extreme/outlier scenario, i will show you a person who put themselves in poverty. there is a mythology that poverty is just a random circumstance, which is not true at all
within the context of this thread, people having children they cannot support is a major financial problem of the poor.
Posted on 5/11/14 at 10:41 pm to Rex
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Absolutely directly. I pay for the roads and bridges upon which you drive to work and pleasure. I pay for your parks. I pay for your military. I pay for your post office. I pay for your police force. I pay to keep your air and water clean. I pay for a lot of things that support your lifestyle.
That's just fricking stupid. I pay more than my fair share for all of that so you don't pay jack shite for anything I do.
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