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re: We have "Conservatives" that are actually closer to anarchist...
Posted on 9/30/25 at 2:43 pm to BCreed1
Posted on 9/30/25 at 2:43 pm to BCreed1
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Article I Section 2 and Sec 8 talks about taxes. Sec 8 states:
Ahhh...that falls under the category of a common currency you frickin moron. It's sort of impossible to have a common currency without the ability to collect taxes.
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Well that BS. Truth is you are more of a libertarian than conservative. There is a massive difference.
Hardly. It's just that you are such a RINO, that I can speel the elephant dung from here.
You are simply OK with government interventionism and activism, as long as it's "your guy" doing it. It's literally no different that George W. Bush's "compassionate conservatism" BS. Or Obama wanting to lower insurance premiums through the ACA.
You are OK with higher taxes, as long as it not you who personally who pays it.
You are OK with massive spending and loose monetary policy.
It OK, dude, we get it. You a frickin liberal minus all the transgendered woke shiite.
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Posted on 9/30/25 at 2:54 pm to BCreed1
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The issue with libertarians is that their world view is like communism. On paper, it's awesome. In execution, it's a disaster.
That always the case with ideological purity. Society is too dynamic to rely on dogmatic ideological governance.
Posted on 9/30/25 at 2:55 pm to BCreed1
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Not conservative populists. That's false.
The people claiming to be conservative populists sound more like Bernie Sanders than Reagan
Posted on 9/30/25 at 2:59 pm to jlnoles79
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The issue with populists is they are fiscally progressive
They also believe in oppressive government - when it's their government.
Trump is building a government that Republicans are going to absolutely hate the next time a Democrat is president. I said the same thing when the Republicans were passing the Patriot Act - that they would regret it as soon as there was a Democrat president. Enter Obama and his abuse of the FISA courts, and the resultant Republican regret.
Posted on 9/30/25 at 3:02 pm to Harry Boutte
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They also believe in oppressive government - when it's their government.
It's wild seeing Republicans act like the other side is never going to come into power again. This is something the Dems have done over and over
Posted on 9/30/25 at 3:04 pm to m2pro
quote:A liberals whole identity is the expansion of government. That is by nature, nearer to Totalitarianism.
a conservative's whole identity is reduction of government. That is, by nature, nearer to chaos.
Posted on 9/30/25 at 3:09 pm to prplngldtigr
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Anarchy is as far RIGHT as the spectrum goes.
Socialism, Fascism and finally Communisn are as far left as the spectrum goes.
Yep. Wish more people would realize this. The spectrum should be looked at as a scale of "institutionalized coercion". Much, much more accurate description of political/economic ideas then the way the current popular "left/right" spectrum is defined.
Posted on 9/30/25 at 3:11 pm to shinerfan
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Anarchy is the ridiculous extreme of the right just like all forms of authoritarianism are the ridiculous extremes of the left.
The best parts of everyone's life are of an anarchistic nature. Same cannot be said of authoritarian systems.
Posted on 9/30/25 at 3:19 pm to m2pro
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It's funny because a conservative's whole identity is reduction of government. That is, by nature, nearer to chaos.
That is false. That is a libertarian identity.
Conservatism is about managing the scope of government to the particular things it is good at, and especially, what it is meant for.
This is things like military, enforcement of the law, etc.
The government should not be, and should have never been, about entitlements. That’s 50% of our government right now. Handouts.
Just because the government has become a behemoth, does not mean shrinking it results in chaos. In fact, shrinking it makes it more accountable, and as a result will increase order because our DA’s and such become easier to target.
Posted on 9/30/25 at 3:20 pm to jlnoles79
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It's wild seeing Republicans act like the other side is never going to come into power again.
It's like 2001 all over again.
But this is what you get when one side justifies their actions simply by accusing the other side of doing it first. That's not leadership.
Posted on 9/30/25 at 3:32 pm to BCreed1
Donald Trump is way closer to being a "Liberal" than a Conservative. It really isn't debatable.
ETA: And at the rate many people here are celebrating continued growth in scope and power of the Federal government......they are, too.
ETA: And at the rate many people here are celebrating continued growth in scope and power of the Federal government......they are, too.
This post was edited on 9/30/25 at 3:34 pm
Posted on 9/30/25 at 3:40 pm to m2pro
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It's funny because a conservative's whole identity is reduction of government. That is, by nature, nearer to chaos.
I think it is more productive and accurate to label is as wanting to limit the government. The reduction of government point became a thing when the government became too powerful.
If we were at more of an equilibrium our debates would be about the push and pull of specific policies getting things done while not giving the government too much power, but instead the power is already there so we have to fight to reduce it.
Posted on 9/30/25 at 3:51 pm to Lou
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A liberals whole identity is the expansion of government.
Like violating a state's sovereignty by federalizing the Guard against the governor's wishes?
Yeah, that is a rather liberal approach to government.
Posted on 9/30/25 at 4:09 pm to prplngldtigr
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Anarchy is as far RIGHT as the spectrum goes.
Correct. It's not chaos, it's absence of govt. I'm a minarchist. IE, what parts of govt can we eliminate? Do we need education? Yes, but we had education before the Dept. of Educ? And it was more efficient than what we have now. Do we need the post office? Nope. Fed X and UPS proves that.
When our pioneer forefathers drove west they had no govt. They didn't go around murdering each other. That violence was to sell dime novels years later. Living in peace and working hard was too boring for books or movies.
Posted on 9/30/25 at 4:30 pm to RogerTheShrubber
quote:You want government enable artificially high prices in the US. That is socialization. You just don't realize it.
Retail Canadian pharmaceuticals were so much cheaper than US wholesale prices that US drugstores appealed for permission to buy from Canadian retailers instead of US wholesale distributors. Thanks to Pharma lobbying, the effort was shot down. That is not "free market" stuff, Rog.
Drugs overseas in some instances are marketed at multiples lower than in the US. No "free market" works that way.
So why do you want more socialization?
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I dont, you apparently do
Posted on 9/30/25 at 4:33 pm to BCreed1
This Board is not a reflection of where Conservative and Republicans stand on most issues. Look at all the support Ron DeSantis had here and then look at how he actually finished in the primaries.
Posted on 9/30/25 at 4:45 pm to Ten Bears
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a frickin liberal minus all the transgendered woke shiite.
This is the best description of MAGA I’ve ever seen.
Well done sir
Posted on 9/30/25 at 5:21 pm to BCreed1
I believe for many conservatives, like myself, we’ve crossed the Rubicon in regard to our country and the incredible threat from the far left.
10 years ago I would have never been in favor of sending troops into American cities in an effort to halt crime.
Now…..bring it on. I’m tired of seeing these whacked out moon bats rioting, looting and burning. Enough is enough, and if it takes cracking a few heads to make people understand we’re demanding people be treated with dignity and respect, so be it
10 years ago I would have never been in favor of sending troops into American cities in an effort to halt crime.
Now…..bring it on. I’m tired of seeing these whacked out moon bats rioting, looting and burning. Enough is enough, and if it takes cracking a few heads to make people understand we’re demanding people be treated with dignity and respect, so be it
Posted on 9/30/25 at 5:32 pm to Ten Bears
Im rolling in the floor at you avoiding everything he stated in that post to launch a personal attack rather than addressing what was said.
Posted on 9/30/25 at 5:34 pm to HurricaneTiger
Up vote given.
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