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re: Was the Civil War Fought Because of Slavery? It Depends on Which Side You View
Posted on 5/4/26 at 3:34 pm to Ramblin Wreck
Posted on 5/4/26 at 3:34 pm to Ramblin Wreck
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Does it make sense that parents in the north were sending their sons off to war to possibly die to abolish slavery, yet they had to march through states in the Union where slavery was legal until after the war ended?
Funny you should mention that. The first blood spilled in the Civil War was actually in Baltimore. Union soldiers, marching through there on their way to Washington, were attacked by a violent mob of pro-Confederate civilians. People on both sides of the riot were killed and Lincoln imposed martial law and suspended the writ of habeas corpus as a result but also to keep Maryland from voting on secession. Similar intersectional violence occurred in Missouri and Kentucky.
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Posted on 5/4/26 at 3:38 pm to RFK
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The Union’s core goal from 1861 was preserving the United States as one nation—Lincoln stated repeatedly that he would accept slavery remaining where it existed if it meant avoiding secession and war.
The Confederacy seceded explicitly to protect slavery as an institution
So the north was willing to accept slavery, and the south just wanted to protect slavery.
Why was there a war then it the north
Was willing to accelt what the south wanted to protect?
Posted on 5/4/26 at 3:38 pm to Ramblin Wreck
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Does it make sense that parents in the north were sending their sons off to war to possibly die to abolish slavery, yet they had to march through states in the Union where slavery was legal until after the war ended
Or that Lincoln’s first choice of commanding general of Union forces was slave holding, Robert E Lee.
Posted on 5/4/26 at 3:38 pm to RFK
The war started when the north blockaded Charleston harbor because the south was sending their raw material to England instead of the northern states. The war, like all wars, was about money and raw material. The virtuous part about slavery was real, but insignificant.
Posted on 5/4/26 at 3:40 pm to Azkiger
Slavery should have ended in the US after the revolutionary war.
But due to many in tobacco farming and shipping making money it did not.
Many slaves were told if they fought in that war, they would be freed, and for the most part this did not happen.
The invitation of the cotton gin changed the course of slavery in the US.
From low population to the numbers before the Civil War.
But due to many in tobacco farming and shipping making money it did not.
Many slaves were told if they fought in that war, they would be freed, and for the most part this did not happen.
The invitation of the cotton gin changed the course of slavery in the US.
From low population to the numbers before the Civil War.
Posted on 5/4/26 at 3:54 pm to Joeypeeps787
Slavery was here long before the first black person from Africa got here by misadventure of that ship owner.
Indentured servants were here on the first boats and that practice was in place a long time by 1776.
Those servants were in fact slaves but could work their debt off to be freed.
Some never could work the debt off, due to what we called the company store of the 1860's and later. I owned my soul to the company store was common in those towns.
So, slavery did it really end at the end of the Civil War, there are different types of slavery.
Indentured servants were here on the first boats and that practice was in place a long time by 1776.
Those servants were in fact slaves but could work their debt off to be freed.
Some never could work the debt off, due to what we called the company store of the 1860's and later. I owned my soul to the company store was common in those towns.
So, slavery did it really end at the end of the Civil War, there are different types of slavery.
This post was edited on 5/4/26 at 3:56 pm
Posted on 5/4/26 at 4:01 pm to JCdawg
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The war started when the north blockaded Charleston harbor
There was no blockade of Charleston Harbor in April 1861. Lincoln expertly maneuvered the South into firing the first shots. Davis, being incompetent as a politician and military strategist, took the bait hook, line, and sinker.
Posted on 5/4/26 at 4:11 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 5/4/26 at 4:20 pm to SlowFlowPro
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How many other countries had a part of the country try to break away to protect their right to engage in slavery?
Why do you make my point, to try to counter my point
The answer is none. Because the issue of slavery wasnt that important. Slavery has and will exist forever
Abe fought to protect the Union. Thats the only reason for him
Posted on 5/4/26 at 4:23 pm to Narax
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When you see our flag, your first thought is imaginary lines on a map represented by stars?
In the 1850s there were still people alive that lived under the Kings Colours. They didnt view our frequently changing flag as a reason to kill one another. Again
Abe Lincoln did. But not for the reason of slavery. Try to stay on topic
Posted on 5/4/26 at 4:34 pm to RollTide1987
RollTide1987
This is true and Davis should have never been the President of the Confederacy.
The southern military was run on who knows who and the same thing happened in the government.
The south appointed many into command position based knowing someone form West Point before the war, this happens in the north.
No promotions by ability it was by like Lee knowing the person, by 1862 you have many bad commanders in the southern western Army like Bragg. Lee was running of good candidates before 1863 and you get the battle of Gettysburg with the worst Crops commander (ok it is a close race with Ewell) Hill and worst divisional commander letting the attack that morning.
The very things the south is fighting against Davis was trying to do in the south.
This is true and Davis should have never been the President of the Confederacy.
The southern military was run on who knows who and the same thing happened in the government.
The south appointed many into command position based knowing someone form West Point before the war, this happens in the north.
No promotions by ability it was by like Lee knowing the person, by 1862 you have many bad commanders in the southern western Army like Bragg. Lee was running of good candidates before 1863 and you get the battle of Gettysburg with the worst Crops commander (ok it is a close race with Ewell) Hill and worst divisional commander letting the attack that morning.
The very things the south is fighting against Davis was trying to do in the south.
Posted on 5/4/26 at 4:34 pm to RobbBobb
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In the 1850s there were still people alive that lived under the Kings Colours. They didnt view our frequently changing flag as a reason to kill one another. Again
But Washington did, he and every other patriot saw the flag as a reason to kill the British soldiers.
Andrew Jackson did, at the Battle of New Orleans
Lee, Jackson and Grant did in the Mexican American war.
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Abe Lincoln did.
... But you do now?
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Try to stay on topic
Dude... seriously you are so deep in the alt history echo chamber you have no idea which way is up.
Posted on 5/4/26 at 4:35 pm to RobbBobb
RobbBobb
The bad is this is true,
The bad is this is true,
Posted on 5/4/26 at 4:35 pm to SlowFlowPro
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When he speaks of illegal immigration I guarantee you he doesn't see our border that way
He's blind to irony...
Posted on 5/4/26 at 4:42 pm to RFK
It was states rights. Slavery was part of the reason, which was considered a state issue. Since so very few were actively involved in owning slaves all those white people dying from the southern states were not just doing so because of rich landowners who had slaves. The blacks in the northern states were heavily treated as slaves as well
Posted on 5/4/26 at 4:44 pm to dchog
The money the north was worried about losing was the money lost by not getting those rich resources in the south, cotton and tobacco
Posted on 5/4/26 at 4:44 pm to RFK
Slavery was the issue that finally exposed the differences between the power of the Federal government versus the rights of the States.
Posted on 5/4/26 at 5:04 pm to RollTide1987
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Secession was 100% a direct result of the institution of slavery. All you have to do is read the words of the men who voted on secession if you want definitive proof. The Civil War does not happen without secession, and secession does not happen without slavery. So the answer is yes. The Civil War was fought because of slavery.
Now answer why slavery was such a big deal that it would cause the notion of secession…
It was 100% NOT a moral topic. As with most things, it was monetary in nature. The morals came around after the war didn’t end as swiftly as Lincoln/other Northern leaders had anticipated. A “rallying cry”, if you will.
If it were a primarily moral cause, the 90 years post-war likely would have been much different.
Posted on 5/4/26 at 5:06 pm to RFK
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Was the Civil War Fought Because of Slavery?
Secession and the war were two distinct events
Slavery was a piece of secession, 4 States said as much. 3 had disputes of Northern States picking and choosing when they would follow the Constitution. 4 others seceded once Lincoln called to arms in preparation for war.
The war is wholly upon Lincoln. He did not start the war to free slaves, nor did he want the slaves freed.
Posted on 5/4/26 at 5:06 pm to Boss13
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It was about state's rights.... to own slaves.
Or not pay overburdening protective tariffs.
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