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re: Was Gay Marriage a Slippery Slope?

Posted on 11/1/19 at 6:35 pm to
Posted by Azkiger
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Posted on 11/1/19 at 6:35 pm to
Ah, sorry for being slow on the uptake, I gotcha.
Posted by FightinTigersDammit
Louisiana North
Member since Mar 2006
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Posted on 11/1/19 at 6:39 pm to
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at the time we were assured it wasn’t


The left always lies.
Posted by TwoTimeTiger
Member since Aug 2019
729 posts
Posted on 11/1/19 at 6:56 pm to
You can’t keep saying the line was drawn at kids and then argue that we can move the line.

And maturity has nothing to do with this.

Posted by Azkiger
Member since Nov 2016
28024 posts
Posted on 11/1/19 at 7:11 pm to
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You can’t keep saying the line was drawn at kids and then argue that we can move the line.


The fact that you're asserting this shows that you haven't understood my point. You can disagree with my stance, but suggesting that it's at odds with itself proves that you do not understand it.

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And maturity has nothing to do with this.


So when determining age of consent we do not, even slightly, consider the general maturity of people in that age group?

Humor me, what criteria is used?
Posted by G The Tiger Fan
Member since Apr 2015
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Posted on 11/1/19 at 7:14 pm to
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Was Gay Marriage a Slippery Slope?
There were already problems with pop culture pushing all kinds of immoral and degenerate crap before then but gay marriage was definitely a major accomplishment for the left.
Posted by Bayoubred
Parts Unknown
Member since Jan 2011
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Posted on 11/1/19 at 7:41 pm to
I have been stating publicly for years that the culmination of two evils, evolution and homosexuality, will be beastality. There's a reason that God thought it necessary to explicitly forbid it in the Law.
Posted by Azkiger
Member since Nov 2016
28024 posts
Posted on 11/1/19 at 7:43 pm to
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I have been stating publicly for years that the culmination of two evils, evolution and homosexuality, will be beastality.


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Bayoubred




So that's where the negative stereotypes about Louisiana and education come from.
Posted by crazy4lsu
Member since May 2005
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Posted on 11/1/19 at 7:53 pm to
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Good for you, but it makes me wonder why you can't see the connection between a deconstruction of truth and foundational epistemology and relativism in terms of truth and morality (among other things).



I can make all sorts of connections. You haven't made any specific arguments other than to blame postmodernity as a whole. I mean, postmodernity was the thing to criticize for numerous philosophers of the 20th century, some of whom are now included by people as postmodern philosophers. What was specifically postmodern for them was the breakdown of metanarratives and how that occurred. Very few, if any, actually said that these narratives should be broken down. All they said that these structures which underpin society are breaking down, and here's why and here's how to operate in this new world.

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It questions truth at its core and whether it can even be objective.


Specifically it questioned whether language could ascertain truth. The moral philosophy of "postmodern" philosophers, like Derrida, certainly didn't indicate they didn't believe that truth wasn't objective, as he showcased explicitly in On Forgiveness and On Hospitality.

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That is the epitome of relativism, which teaches that truth (and morality) is relative to each individual.


This isn't what any postmodern philosopher said, at least that I read. The Structuralists and Poststructuralists were working within a very specific milieu, and were very careful with their arguments. The foundation of Structuralist thought was simply that whatever subjectivity a person may have, they always existed within in pre-established system of meaning, but there was an essential narrative in that system of meaning, making it a Modernist (technically) philosophy. Derrida came along and said that even in any pre-arranged system of meaning, there was a possibility of disruption to that system of meaning. He literally says himself, in the paper that started Poststructuralism itself, that he did not mean words could mean anything. He was simply, in his view, acknowledging a center, which he called an essential function, the object around which systems of meaning were organized.

The Poststructural overlap with Phenomenology has also been tremendous, as phenomenology says (and which neuroscience backs up) that humans are the second subject which experience things, a notion that is now somewhat benign but at the time was revolutionary. But neither argue for relativism by any stretch, as for both there is a center or a primary phenomena, around which humans attempt to orient themselves. In fact, there is a French philosopher, Jean-Luc Marion, who uses phenomenology to argue for proof of God. The notion that postmodern philosophy argues for relativism isn't accurate at all, and does a disservice to 20th century philosophy bordering on dishonesty.

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Jean-François Lyotard is at the forefront of what I believe has been an increasing movement in our society over the last 30-40 years.



Have you read Lyotard?

Posted by Azkiger
Member since Nov 2016
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Posted on 11/1/19 at 7:57 pm to
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This isn't what any postmodern philosopher said, at least that I read.


"Postmodernists deny that there are aspects of reality that are objective; that there are statements about reality that are objectively true or false; that it is possible to have knowledge of such statements (objective knowledge); that it is possible for human beings to know some things with certainty; and that there are objective, or absolute, moral values."

- Encyclopedia Britannica
Posted by GeorgePaton
God's Country
Member since May 2017
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Posted on 11/1/19 at 8:02 pm to
......abortion. That was the slippery slope. The decline started on January 22, 1973....the day SCOTUS legalized genocide.



Posted by crazy4lsu
Member since May 2005
39820 posts
Posted on 11/1/19 at 8:06 pm to
Again, give me a specific philosopher who said these things. For example, the context of what Baudrillard says about reality is fundamentally and meaningfully different than what Foucault says about these things. Again, I'm skeptical that you can find a philosopher who is well-regarded who would say things like "there is no objective truth" and not be taken to task by colleagues or the community as a whole.

Also that is a frankly shoddy article by Encyclopedia Britannica. This one is far better. LINK
This post was edited on 11/1/19 at 8:09 pm
Posted by Flats
Member since Jul 2019
28107 posts
Posted on 11/1/19 at 8:11 pm to
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"Postmodernists deny that there are aspects of reality that are objective;


That essay reflected my understanding of postmodernists, and the bigger point foo was making (imo) was that relativism led to where we are now. I’m not sure why it became a penis measuring contest of what pm did or didn’t say.
Posted by VOR
New Orleans
Member since Apr 2009
68788 posts
Posted on 11/1/19 at 8:13 pm to
Disparate events with no causal connection. Just a list of things you don’t like.
Posted by dawgfan24348
Member since Oct 2011
51733 posts
Posted on 11/1/19 at 8:44 pm to
Never fail to show how retarded you are PT
Posted by gthog61
Irving, TX
Member since Nov 2009
71001 posts
Posted on 11/1/19 at 8:49 pm to
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Never fail to show how retarded you are PT



frick you

The left never stops pushing their bullshite.

Of course once the perversion of gay "marriage" sis mainstreamed then all this other shite follows.

Then you have liars on the left who spout bullshite saying the obvious isn't true.

In a decade or two they will push to normalize fricking kids, animals, and eating shite.
Posted by dawgfan24348
Member since Oct 2011
51733 posts
Posted on 11/1/19 at 8:49 pm to
Oh yet here's a news flash not everyone believes in some magical sky man who makes arbitrary rules on morality.

Point is you can believe in all the bible claims but the moment you try to enforce it via the law you're a dick. I sure as hell know you wouldn't want Muslims enforcing their beliefs on you so how about you take a step back and ask yourself if wanting a psuedo theocratic government is truly right
Posted by dawgfan24348
Member since Oct 2011
51733 posts
Posted on 11/1/19 at 8:50 pm to
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The left never stops pushing their bullshite.


Neither side stops pushing their bullshite. Usually their "bullshite" is coming from politicians pandering like hell to their extreme sides.
Posted by gthog61
Irving, TX
Member since Nov 2009
71001 posts
Posted on 11/1/19 at 8:51 pm to
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Neither side stops pushing their bullshite. Usually their "bullshite" is coming from politicians pandering like hell to their extreme sides.




Uhoh, the "both sides" flag has been tossed.

That was quick.
Posted by dawgfan24348
Member since Oct 2011
51733 posts
Posted on 11/1/19 at 8:55 pm to
It's quick because it's the truth. Maybe if you quit with the my side is better triabilism bullshite you'd see where I'm getting at. But you won't you'll fling shite at the other side and ignore your own side's problems and believing any story that makes the opposing side seem awful
Posted by Indefatigable
Member since Jan 2019
37264 posts
Posted on 11/1/19 at 8:56 pm to
Zero of the things listed have anything to do with allowing consenting adults to enter into a contract.

All of the ‘disgusting’ activities that this low information retard, ‘Morgan’ quoted are not becoming more prevalent. The fake perceived increase is purely a result of the societal trend towards social media
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