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Posted on 11/1/19 at 4:43 pm to
Posted by MI LSU
NYC
Member since Oct 2009
1136 posts
Posted on 11/1/19 at 4:43 pm to
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But "winning" is not the actual goal. ALWAYS having a victim to fight for is the real purpose. It is absolutely necessary to their identity. Once gay people won their fight liberals/progressives needed a new group of "victims" for whom to fight. Enter transgenders. Someone had to fill the void. Women had fought...and won fundamental equality. Black people had fought...and won fundamental equality. Gay people had fought...and won fundamental equality, So the question became who can we fight for next?


This might be the single greatest thing I’ve ever read on this forum.

The fact that the above paragraph is something you presented as bad almost defies belief...

...unless, of course, you view the fact that women have rights, and black people have rights, and NOW THE GAYS have rights as a bad thing.

Which is telling.

Tough times for the bigots and misogynists
Posted by Hoops
LA
Member since Jan 2013
8272 posts
Posted on 11/1/19 at 4:44 pm to
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A long married gay couple or a hetero that's been married and divorced multiple times.


The one that tries to teach kids they aren’t a boy or girl and/or tries to confuse kids into being sexual before their mind is even developed enough to think sexually. The pedophilia push is coming and I hope it’s met with blood repercussions.
Posted by TwoTimeTiger
Member since Aug 2019
729 posts
Posted on 11/1/19 at 4:46 pm to
And I said, I’m not a fan of cities forcing people.

I think You have a right to make a religious stand and live with the consequences. I profoundly Disagree with their stance but you freedom of religion is a profoundly significant right.
Posted by Hoops
LA
Member since Jan 2013
8272 posts
Posted on 11/1/19 at 4:47 pm to
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It’s amazing that although history clearly shows over time we’ve become MORE accepting of gays and LESS accepting of adults fricking minors that morons will still present the two are in cahoots.


The enemy of your enemy is your friend
Posted by FooManChoo
Member since Dec 2012
47091 posts
Posted on 11/1/19 at 4:50 pm to
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I know exactly what Postmodern philosophy is. I'd wager that I'm more familiar with it than any person on this board, in that I've actually read most of the major works of 20th century philosophy.
Good for you, but it makes me wonder why you can't see the connection between a deconstruction of truth and foundational epistemology and relativism in terms of truth and morality (among other things).

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Again, even the definition you linked doesn't justify moral relativism, because Lyotard's definition only makes sense when you understand what Philosophical Modernism (which began with Descartes), and understand the effect both World Wars had on European philosophy.
Postmodernism is a deconstruction of those philosophical tendencies that preceded it. It questions truth at its core and whether it can even be objective. If truth is neither either/or, but it's considered both/and, then truth exists only in the mind of the truth-seeker within his societal context. That is the epitome of relativism, which teaches that truth (and morality) is relative to each individual. The conclusion is obvious: if truth is subjective to the human experience, it doesn't really exist in an objective sense.

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So who are these philosophers who laid the groundwork for the moral relativism?
Jean-François Lyotard is at the forefront of what I believe has been an increasing movement in our society over the last 30-40 years.
Posted by geaux88
Northshore, LA
Member since Oct 2003
16355 posts
Posted on 11/1/19 at 4:51 pm to
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I don't remember a huge fight about getting the term "Christmas" out of schools or whatever. If there was, I missed it and I'll take y'all's word for it.


Yes sir, this is what happened....and not just at schools, but large retail companies telling their cashiers and the whole lot to stop saying the term "Merry Christmas," along with other business entities throughout the spectrum of every day life.

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I remember it was people overreacting to the term "happy holidays"


I do acknowledge and remember this as well, but it was on a much smaller scale, was grass roots, and was not a centralized institutionalized response. It had no effect.

I'm not a huge religious zealot by the way; I was raised Catholic, but lets just say I'm definitely NOT in a "state of grace" by any means....I am a REALPOLITIK pragmatic overly reactionary a-hole as you can tell by my post history on this board, and we've sort of hijacked this thread from the original thesis question by the OP, but my first response was that the "Merry Christmas" thing was the first shot across the bow.

Posted by Mickey Goldmill
Baton Rouge
Member since Mar 2010
26833 posts
Posted on 11/1/19 at 4:52 pm to
All good. I stand corrected then
Posted by back9Tiger
Island Coconut Salesman
Member since Nov 2005
17994 posts
Posted on 11/1/19 at 4:54 pm to
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3) I know what I am teaching my kids. I'm sorry if you don't teach your kids, and they have to learn from elsewhere.


Ok tough guy. If you think you're kids aren't constantly being fed ideology by their educational system, then you are in fact a moron. but you go ahead and defend this idiocy.
Posted by FooManChoo
Member since Dec 2012
47091 posts
Posted on 11/1/19 at 4:54 pm to
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And many Muslims thinks the same way about Christianity.
They can think as they please. It doesn't change the truth. It's why we need to continue to expose the irrationality of their worldview.

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Which is why it's best that we leave both of them, out of our government.
We're doing so well with that right now, aren't we? This board is filled with topics about a sham impeachment strategy by Democrats and even some Republicans who have abandoned the truth of God's moral law.

Instead of thinking in terms of religion, think in terms of worldviews. There is a Biblical Christian worldview that I believe our government should espouse, and there are worldviews of naturalism, materialism, and humanism that others believe that governments should espouse. Every worldview has influences over the actions of individuals and I believe that a secular worldview is ultimately destructive because it cannot justify the inevitable practical contradictions that will come to exist.
Posted by FooManChoo
Member since Dec 2012
47091 posts
Posted on 11/1/19 at 4:56 pm to
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You're saying laws of the government should exactly mirror the laws of your religious beliefs?
No, I'm not saying that at all. I'm saying that it should not be promoting activities that are destructive to society.
Posted by TwoTimeTiger
Member since Aug 2019
729 posts
Posted on 11/1/19 at 4:57 pm to
Any government that espouses a religious world view is going to force that worldview in people who don’t adhere to it.

The government’s role should at best be a referee allowing people to express their world views as best they can without harming others.
Posted by Bass Tiger
Member since Oct 2014
55962 posts
Posted on 11/1/19 at 4:58 pm to
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100 years ago the age of consent was lower and homosexuality was a literal crime


100 years ago average life span was probably under 70, people also were more mentally mature at age 16 than people are today at age 22. If a 14 year old teen was married to the 19 year old baw across the holler it was a agreement between the families or there was gonna be a feud. Lol!
This post was edited on 11/3/19 at 4:00 pm
Posted by TwoTimeTiger
Member since Aug 2019
729 posts
Posted on 11/1/19 at 5:04 pm to
14 year olds are still 14 year olds. We don’t make a pedowaiver if the 14 year old is really mature for their age or has seen some shite.

I meam yeah you have “left wing” wackadoos advocating for “pedo rights” and you also have hard right religious fundamentalist you know fricking kids on compounds.

Pedos are fringe lunatics either way.
This post was edited on 11/1/19 at 5:06 pm
Posted by Azkiger
Member since Nov 2016
28370 posts
Posted on 11/1/19 at 5:15 pm to
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It’s amazing that although history clearly shows over time we’ve become MORE accepting of gays and LESS accepting of adults fricking minors that morons will still present the two are in cahoots.


Less accepting? It's always been illegal so the needle hasn't moved.
Posted by Azkiger
Member since Nov 2016
28370 posts
Posted on 11/1/19 at 5:17 pm to
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I’m not a fan of cities stepping in but if you want to bring politics into your business you better be good enough to weather the backlash.

Chick-fil-a is

Most bakeries are not


It's not about the public backlash, it's about state and federal law.
Posted by TwoTimeTiger
Member since Aug 2019
729 posts
Posted on 11/1/19 at 5:19 pm to
See part one of the sentence
Posted by TwoTimeTiger
Member since Aug 2019
729 posts
Posted on 11/1/19 at 5:22 pm to
Except what we considered a kid in 1900 was younger than what we consider a kid today.

The age of consent has steadily increases since the late 1800s.

That’s mess we no long think a 13 year old can consent.

That’s the needle moving.
Posted by Madking
Member since Apr 2016
71343 posts
Posted on 11/1/19 at 5:23 pm to
Don’t forget that they’re also pushing to decriminalize pedophilia now too.
Posted by CitizenK
BR
Member since Aug 2019
16096 posts
Posted on 11/1/19 at 5:28 pm to
Considering that I'm neither gay nor been in a gay marriage, I cannot say.

They lied when they said it would never lead to anything else.
Posted by Azkiger
Member since Nov 2016
28370 posts
Posted on 11/1/19 at 5:28 pm to
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See part one of the sentence


The idea that it's bad to frick kids has always been represented in American law.

What's changes is how we define what a kid is.

You are incorrect in stating that we've become less accepting of adults fricking kids. That's always been illegal.
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