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re: Was Gay Marriage a Slippery Slope?
Posted on 11/1/19 at 5:31 pm to FooManChoo
Posted on 11/1/19 at 5:31 pm to FooManChoo
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No, I'm not saying that at all. I'm saying that it should not be promoting activities that are destructive to society.
How does gay marriage harm society?
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Posted on 11/1/19 at 5:32 pm to Azkiger
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The idea that it's bad to frick kids has always been represented in American law. What's changes is how we define what a kid is. You are incorrect in stating that we've become less accepting of adults fricking kids. That's always been illegal.
So it’s not wrong unless the law says it is?
You’re pro kid fricking if the law allowed it?
Posted on 11/1/19 at 5:33 pm to Azkiger
It isn’t gay marriage it’s what that has been bootstrapped to it
Posted on 11/1/19 at 5:34 pm to mahdragonz
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All of this was happening for decades.
bullshite. Show me where it was legal for a man to go piss in a women's restroom without having the cops called in on his arse.
Posted on 11/1/19 at 5:35 pm to TwoTimeTiger
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So it’s not wrong unless the law says it is?
You’re pro kid fricking if the law allowed it?
So society is exactly the same as it was in the 1800s?
That kid eating cheetos playing games all day at the age of 14 is no more mature as the kid who dropped out of school in 7th grade and has been working on their parents farm?
Posted on 11/1/19 at 5:35 pm to Hoops
But the argument is can the vast majority of people separate gay marriage from the things bootstrapped to it?
The average person who supports gay marraige know pedophilia is wrong.
The average pedophile doesn’t really give a
shite about gay marriage they just want to frick kids anyway they can.
Most people get that
The average person who supports gay marraige know pedophilia is wrong.
The average pedophile doesn’t really give a
shite about gay marriage they just want to frick kids anyway they can.
Most people get that
Posted on 11/1/19 at 5:37 pm to Azkiger
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So society is exactly the same as it was in the 1800s?
It was kinda my point. That we’ve evolved as a society to consider something wrong.
There were places were you couldn’t legally rape your wife.
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That kid eating cheetos playing games all day at the age of 14 is no more mature as the kid who dropped out of school in 7th grade and has been working on their parents farm?
They’re all still 14 and adults
Shouldn’t frick them.
Posted on 11/1/19 at 5:37 pm to Azkiger
Wow
Posted on 11/1/19 at 5:37 pm to TwoTimeTiger
These people are sick and that’s no joke.
Posted on 11/1/19 at 5:41 pm to TwoTimeTiger
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It was kinda my point. That we’ve evolved as a society to consider something wrong.
There were places were you couldn’t legally rape your wife.
Way to jump the shark.
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They’re all still 14 and adults
Shouldn’t frick them.
Way to dodge the question. Do you eat meat? Wait until you see how people may look at you in 100 years. A mass murderer.
Bottom line, America has always seen fricking kids as bad.
Posted on 11/1/19 at 5:46 pm to TwoTimeTiger
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The average person who supports gay marraige know pedophilia is wrong.
Wrong? As in right vs wrong? And you want that reflected in the law? Sounds like you want the law to enforce morality as a long as it's your morality.
Posted on 11/1/19 at 5:46 pm to Madking
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These people are sick and that’s no joke.
He's pro gay marriage. You shouldn't jump into the middle of a conversation. You have no idea what's being discussed.
Posted on 11/1/19 at 5:51 pm to Flats
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Sounds like you want the law to enforce morality as a long as it's your morality.
Are there instances where that isn't the case?
You have your own morality, would you advocate for laws that went against it?
Posted on 11/1/19 at 6:02 pm to Azkiger
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Are there instances where that isn't the case?
You have your own morality, would you advocate for laws that went against it?
Pretty much everybody believes that cheating on your spouse is wrong in an ethical sense. Pretty much nobody wants someone thrown in jail for it. Just because you want SOME morality legislated doesn't mean you want it ALL legislated.
My point is that almost all laws force the values of the majority on the minority. There have been several of the typical "you can't legislate morality" type posts in this thread and that's just false. Laws against screwing 14 year olds legislate morality, laws against rape legislate morality, laws against hitting your wife legislate morality. Laws against screwing your girlfriend on a park bench in front of an elementary school legislate morality. I don't see anybody claiming that we're a theocracy because we have laws against those things, because that's the morality they want legislated.
If you're not an anarchist, you want laws. If you want laws, you want the values of the majority forced on a minority. People who think they're not doing that as they cluck their tongue at others about not favoring gay marriage (or any other issue) are shallow thinkers, if they think at all.
Posted on 11/1/19 at 6:14 pm to lsutiger90
He's playing semantics.
HIV can be transmitted which leads to AIDS. You can have HIV but not AIDS.
HIV can be transmitted which leads to AIDS. You can have HIV but not AIDS.
Posted on 11/1/19 at 6:17 pm to Flats
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Pretty much everybody believes that cheating on your spouse is wrong in an ethical sense. Pretty much nobody wants someone thrown in jail for it. Just because you want SOME morality legislated doesn't mean you want it ALL legislated.
Unless your own personal morality says that jail time is a proper punishment for adulterers, then it would seem you're getting your way with respect to morality and what the law is.
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I don't see anybody claiming that we're a theocracy because we have laws against those things, because that's the morality they want legislated.
Probably because they don't see *all* morality as religious by nature. Just because some religions say "behavior x is bad" doesn't mean anyone else who also says that same thing is automatically parroting a religious teaching.
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If you want laws, you want the values of the majority forced on a minority. People who think they're not doing that as they cluck their tongue at others about not favoring gay marriage (or any other issue) are shallow thinkers, if they think at all.
I agree, it just seems you were criticizing them when you're in the same boat. You want the law to enforce morality so long as its your morality. That's the same for everyone.
This post was edited on 11/1/19 at 6:18 pm
Posted on 11/1/19 at 6:20 pm to Azkiger
Not jumping the shark.
My whole point is that society now views certain differently than they did 100 years ago.
Your question was fricking stupid.
Yes there is a difference in world experience, no neither is old enough consent to sex.
There are worldly 10 year olds now. They are old enough to have sex.
Except we used to have a completely different definition of kids.
Sorry but that’s the truth. We used to think 13 was old enough. Now we don’t. That’s a change in perception.
My whole point is that society now views certain differently than they did 100 years ago.
Your question was fricking stupid.
Yes there is a difference in world experience, no neither is old enough consent to sex.
There are worldly 10 year olds now. They are old enough to have sex.
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Bottom line, America has always seen fricking kids as bad.
Except we used to have a completely different definition of kids.
Sorry but that’s the truth. We used to think 13 was old enough. Now we don’t. That’s a change in perception.
Posted on 11/1/19 at 6:26 pm to TwoTimeTiger
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Not jumping the shark.
Jumping from how agrarian societies determine age of consent to spousal rape is 110% jumping the shark.
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There are worldly 10 year olds now. They are old enough to have sex.
My question didn't ask about exceptions to the rule, in the 1800's 95% of the 14 year olds were more mature than 95% of 14 year olds today.
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Except we used to have a completely different definition of kids.
The line was still drawn at kids, though.
Posted on 11/1/19 at 6:30 pm to Azkiger
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I agree, it just seems you were criticizing them when you're in the same boat.
I’m pointing out their hypocrisy. I have zero problem with the following:
“I believe discrimination against gays is wrong and I want the law to reflect my morality, so the law should force society to accept gay marriage”.
This is something a shallow thinker says:
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Any government that espouses a religious world view is going to force that worldview in people who don’t adhere to it.
All laws do that.
Posted on 11/1/19 at 6:35 pm to Seldom Seen
I read this somewhere before:
At first it was acceptance, then it became appreciation, then it became celebration, and now it's become forced participation.
At first it was acceptance, then it became appreciation, then it became celebration, and now it's become forced participation.
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